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Royalty is a continuous selling-out motion

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Royalty is a continuous selling-out motion

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Yeah, I take option 3. What I struggle to understand is why you go for 1. It feels to me like the worst of the options, but obviously that’s not the case for you.

Which option would you say applies to Catholics?

Not that high of a bar. It’d cover half the charismatic Christian spinoffs which ran afoul of the law. That’s just in America; go back before the Reformation and I bet you could find all sorts of martyrs.

I’m not sure how many of those failsons or tax-evaders are out there, but it’s almost certainly fewer than you think.

Get a bunch of Eastern Europeans to show up to a meeting and center that…

This is a stupid plan with several obvious failure points. Where are you getting these Slavs? How are you training them to promote your party line? Do you pay them? Why should you expect the target organizations to listen to a bunch of obvious plants?

what is literal Naziism if not turbo-woke except centering blond-haired, blue-eyed Germans as the primary victims

Oh, come on. I can think of half a dozen load-bearing differences, and I bet you can too. How about “revanchism” or “self-abasement” or “overthrowing a fucking government”?

Your models are cartoonish.

Why is that a big denial?

I think Clavicle was making a lazy, shorthand version of the argument. He doesn’t have numbers for the TX Indian population (it’s less than the Lizardman Constant). He didn’t show an example of failed assimilation. He just pointed at brown faces and said, hey, look how spooky this is! I’m sure he has his reasons, but this is awfully sloppy, and I can criticize it even if I agree with the model of human behavior.

In my experience, the presence of Indians and Hispanics has not in fact destroyed Texas culture. We’ve remained quite firmly American. Republican, even. I don’t know where our clavicular lives, but it sure looks like he’s formed an opinion based off one Twitter photo.

Now, I do think we disagree on the possibility of assimilation. Your link doesn’t appear to say anything about interbreeding, only that certain European populations performed and still perform better than others. Would you say that all those groups have failed to assimilate to American culture?

It also suggests that such groups can’t have assimilated because they don’t vote “like the rest of White America does.” This is obviously inane. I almost suspect that the author isn’t actually American; he’s ignoring the massive regional splits which have existed (and shifted) since the founding of the country. When the absolute whitest states in the country go solid blue, something else is obviously at play.

So yes, I think that cultural assimilation absolutely happens before genetic assimilation. It’s happened before and it is happening with Asian and Indian and Hispanic populations. I don’t see how this contradicts anything about “evolution.” People are more than their genes.

Well, first you’ve got to consider the possibility. Our computer-literate, sci-fi-reading crowd probably has an easier time with that than the average Boomer.
Then you have to distrust all your senses, something which has been a sticking point since at least Descartes.
And you’ve also got to accept that you aren’t special.

Not that any of these make it impossible, but Christianity starts to look like an easier sell.

Copy-pasting this half a dozen times is pointless and douchey. Stop it.

The Doppler effect occurs due to wave peaks/troughs arriving at your sensor faster or slower. It’s only going to be affected by starting frequency and relative motion.

I think it’s more likely that you have some other sensory interference, like rushing blood or ringing, which changes during the day. For all I know the water content of your skull changes its frequency response. If your sinuses are stuffed you’re gonna get some weirdness.

I…sure, I guess.

That’s not a particularly compelling argument for adopting another dualist belief, let alone a specific one.

Come now, that’s hardly a question.

Understood. I’m a lot more sympathetic to your points. I saw OP getting away with a (what I consider) pretty sloppy version of the argument and I let myself respond pretty carelessly/indignantly.

I think Twitter, as a medium, is bad for us in various ways. I think we’d be happier and more effective if we didn’t have the intelligentsia tapped into a high-frequency feedback loop. I wish it wasn’t popular.

This is not the same as wishing it was suppressed, or that the government destroyed it. I don’t have any plausible route to making it unappealing. It’s a shame, in my opinion.


I used an unclear article. What I meant to say was

Cultural replacement can happen but it isn’t inherent. Getting a bunch of Indian students to come absorb your rituals is more like assimilation.

The OP started from the (British?) assumption that Indians can only replace Texan culture. I think Texas has done a pretty good job assimilating them so far.

So…the literal definition of an own goal.

Going crazy on Twitter? That plus a dollar will buy you a Costco hot dog.

This is a very recent development. Is 20 years all it takes for Texas to become something new?

No, it’s still Texas. The presence of nonwhite people has not changed the character, traditions, even the political landscape of the area. Sometimes unfortunately.

If you are 30 and above, you probably grew up with almost no Indians.

Not in my experience, but what do I know? I’m sure the Brits understand better.

Now this is what Texas is and you have to leave if you don't like the changes?

Only for a sufficiently strong value of “don’t like.” You know, like anything else. Taxes too high? Can’t own a gun? Tired of hippies? Maybe you should leave those states.

But no, that’s quitter talk. Real Anglo-Saxon cowboys gather their posse and run the degenerates out of town. Anything else would be unacceptable value drift. If you don’t shoot the tax collector you’re basically allowing white genocide.

Mass migration can happen and within one generation, this is seen as the new default and any complaints about this are seen as against the new values.

No, they’re the old values. Sometimes values apply even to people you don’t like. Cultural replacement can happen but it’s not magic. Getting a bunch of Indian students to come absorb your rituals is how it’s supposed to work.

They really have no control over their outgroup other than canceling people and social pressure

The enemy must be both strong and weak, huh?

But where will they go? You basically have to live in a state like Texas for access to the best jobs. schools, dating, etc.

Where, indeed? Why is it that the places with freedom of movement and speech have all the good stuff? How come the nonwhite people get to enjoy it? If you just pushed them all out, maybe you could enjoy that magic soil for yourself.

Only weirdos and disagreeable people point this out

You said it, not me. I wish you’d go for longer before bringing up your hobbyhorse. You got some good questions out of this account.


Twitter delenda est.

There’s no shortage of New Atheist styled critiques of everything from AI millenarianism to Yudkowsky’s lifestyle choices. You can find them here or in the NYT.

Simulation theory is bizarre and counterintuitive and not, I think, all that widespread. SBF tried to cite it and people (correctly) went, no, you’ve still got to give the money back. Drawing an analogy with Christianity isn’t exactly flattering.

Oh, I’m sure I know some. I don’t understand them, and I’m certainly not going to interrogate them about their mental state in person. Pretty sure I already lost one friend by telling him that UNSONG was comedy.

I didn’t know there was a museum like that in Dallas. My “favorite” is the one in Glen Rose, also known as Fossil Rim. No prizes for guessing what they’ve found there.

I agree that if one can accept the Resurrection as related in the Gospels, the rest is small potatoes.

But I also agree with @sun_the_second. A miracle of this grade provides evidence against the historical record. How much other, non-Christian mystery hits the same threshold of evidence?

Uh. Why?

This is a genuine question. I cannot personally imagine what it feels like to believe some of those things. To think “yes, the Earth is only a few millenia old” and not feel a deep-seated confusion at the contradictions. I’m not trying to rehash the early-2000s smugness debates, but I really would like to know how your experience differs.

I can at least model how other people experience faith, even though I’ve never felt it particularly compelling. But YEC? Specific dogmas? Alien to me.

Is this supposed to make him more or less credulous of Christianity?

And yet the dominant strains in the U.S. have a much higher regard for literalism. This is not a hallmark of logical consistency.

I think once one is five or six schisms removed, one shouldn’t get full credit for citing St. Augustine.

The teeth usually work on a specific diagonal motion. Not that much force, I just sort of pull it in different combinations of “down” and “side” until it catches.

Of course, I can’t rule out the possibility that your tape has mutated, acquiring resistance to slashing damage. Try blunt weapons next time.

It would also be against the rules.

No idea.

I could imagine some number of non-commercial surrogates who are volunteering for an infertile/gay/etc. friend. No, I have no idea how often that occurs, but it came up in the last discussion of this topic.

Yes, I’m asking for a source. The biggest, most dramatic scammer in the movement doing something does not imply an “awful lot.”

I couldn’t find a talk or paper called Investing to Give. I did see this proposed framework, which doesn’t give a single threshold, and this, where he talks about the theory. But I also note that this guy donates all income past $32,000. It sure sounds like this guy is giving and not just earning.

The baseline level of charity for an American is less than $1300. I’m pretty sure that’s an average, too, and I expect the median is much lower. I am confident that EAs, as a group which self-selects for neurotically caring about this stuff, clear that bar.

Source?

Scott keeps talking about things, like the Giving What We Can Pledge, which are designed to counteract this exact failure mode. I expect that a random EA is more likely to give than a random American, let alone a random investor.

I thought you were saying no pro-lifer would be a surrogate at all, even without such a clause.