BANNED USER: Repeatedly posting trollish "death to my outgroup"
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Banned by: @Amadan
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2yr ago
Except my post was saying more than just that. I don't merely think that it is stupid because there is no reason or evidence which justifies its claims, but further that what it stands for is deeply immoral, incompatible with liberal morality, and dangerous for myself and most everyone outside of its grasp.
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2yr ago
yeah, if sexual pleasure was not related to reproduction it would not have evolved to be a thing, so reproduction is its purpose in that sense. but i was referring to purpose as something that is determined by the user, so in that case sex would not have the same purpose for everyone.
in the case of eating, i would not say it is primarily for pleasure, but for an obese person it is, because they would not have to eat nearly as much if their primary purpose was sustenance.
in my opinion creating more people is not obviously valuable, so it may be a negative, idk.
What is sex, or pleasure, without that? Why does satisfying 'desire to have sex' mean anything without sex?
satisfying the desire to have sex creates pleasure which is intrinsically valuable imo, just as you believe creating more people is valuable, i think pleasure is a good thing that is meaningful of itself.
Why not just jerk off? Or do heroin for that matter.
jerking off is usually not as pleasurable. and heroin has side effects that can spiral out of control.
this is not convincing to me because in my opinion the purpose of sex is pleasure, reproduction is a secondary effect which is not necessarily desirable. People who have sex while denying its reproductive potential do not feel like they are wasting their desire, instead they feel like they are fulfilling it. I think you are the one who is confused here.
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2yr ago
Forgive me for having a condescending attitude towards Catholic theology, which argues in favor of eternal punishment for finite sin, burning heretics at the stake, and claims that masturbation is worse than rape.
I agree with you on the proposal that fucking or marrying consenting girls should be permissible regardless of age, but I wish you would mention arguments that appeal to property rights, freedom, and self ownership considerations, which would entice liberal minded people to agree. Your arguments are convincing to reactionary/traditionalist or fascist rightwingers but are repulsive or ineffective for people of other political ideologies.
there is nothing inherently christian about natural law, it only became part of catholic theology in the 13th century because of thomas aquinas incorporating ideas from aristotelian philosophy, and even then his synthesis was controversial and took some time to be accepted. I assume early christians based their teachings off of the judaic teachings at the time.
also i have never heard natural law described that way, can you elaborate what you mean? like what is considered the game theoretical optimum?
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2yr ago
its better to not be shocked and disgusted by innocent activities than to be. it just goes to show how a lot of these aversions are instilled by society, and are not innately sourced.
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2yr ago
so your complaining that you don't have the freedom to force your children to live the same lifestyle that you do? and that this differs from authoritarian societies because there society would make sure that your children obey your desires?
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2yr ago
I think whiteness is about not standing out because of your appearance to euro-americans. Under this definition there are large swathes of south european people who would not pass because you could tell them apart based on their appearance but its fuzzy because race is not a discrete thing.
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2yr ago
it is a universal, historical, and quite possibly apostolic doctrine.
how does this imply that it is true, or that god forbids it?
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2yr ago
So what is the justification for the church's infallibility on the teaching of faith and morals. If catholic clergymen become united in their agreement that something is a sin, they assume that god agrees?
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2yr ago
The counterexample to the infallibility of the Church is comparing its orthodox doctrines and moral framework to that of the early christians, they are on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
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2yr ago
can you not call gay men cesspools here, im pretty sure insults like that are not allowed here.
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2yr ago
if you believe the christian religion then why would sending young children to heaven before they have a chance to do something that damns themselves to hell be despicable. the afterlife is eternal, this life is nothing compared to it. The real despicable thing is the religion which set up an afterlife system with the unjust consequences that make that behavior make sense.
American football and Basketball are nowhere near the skill expression of soccer and tennis, demonstrated by the many many pros who picked up the sport at something like age 16, so they are much easier for the dumb, but athletic to get into at any age.
Dexterity and coordination required to be skilled in these sports is not all that much related to intelligence iirc, but fast processing speed is a skill rewarded by team sports that is well correlated with intelligence.
there's the PISA exams which are international standardized tests that resemble SAT/ACT college entrance exams and are given to a more or less random sampling of 15 year old school children by the numerous participant countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment
the solution to the real problem with this is to privatize the medical industry. then people would have to pay for the costs of their unhealthy behaviors themselves. the other problems you listed are not externalities, if poor health lowers someone's productivity, that means their income is lower than it would otherwise be so the costs are borne by themself, and it doesnt impose costs on other people. maybe you think that people have a duty to not behave in ways that decrease their productivity and fertility, for the sake of the tribe/nation/race, but i disagree with that because that ideology denies people freedom and involves interfering in their property rights.
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2yr ago
its not necessarily about the state though, it should be allowed for a private business to offer, even suggest, euthanasia to people. if more people end up killing themselves than otherwise would, its not a problem because there was no coercion involved, and you can not determine for other people what is good for them, because pleasure and pain can not be measured.
arent both behaviors maximally natural just as any behavior, because we and everything we can interact with exists within nature? how do you define natural such that taking gender transition hormones is unnatural while taking hormones as a male to become stronger and more masculine is natural?
it does not make sense to me that people are not traumatized by someone around them that is suicidal, yet become traumatized when the suicidal person kills themselves. its like they dont care about the suffering of the suicidal person as long as he is living, but when he kills himself then they are affected. to me its selfish to require someone to continue living miserably when they would rather die.
this is a tangent but your use of the word degenerate there gained my attention because it is usually used as a descriptor for people who engage in "hedonistic" behaviors, not those who violate property rights. so its a point of evidence for the claim that degenerate is often used as a slur against innocent people (say, strip club visitors).
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2yr ago
it’s just that conservative communities have recently gotten better at staunching the bleeding from their young men
how so?
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2yr ago
The unprovoked attacks on supposed Christian hypocrisy
He has a point on this though, while jesus "the son of god" talked a lot about feeding the hungry, loving the poor, and stuff along those lines, orthodox christians talk alot about.. gender roles and birth control.
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2yr ago
What does the strip club visit have to do with your point about homeless people, strip clubs don't cause anyone issues that they didn't put themselves into. I dislike the word degeneracy, because it implies that innocent activities are malicious and that the people who do them are bad people, I dont think that sort of slander should be allowed in a forum like this. Its like a leftist calling rightwingers racist and fascist.
Giving a homeless person candy is a legitimate act of charity, I am not sure why your criticising that. Homeless people are chronically hungry, and feeding the poor is helping them, its definitely not harming them. It also makes them feel like other people care about them.
my point was that telling someone that they are misusing something and thereby implying a negative moral judgment because they are using it in a way that is contrary to its purpose as defined by an objective framework is not a convincing moral argument, this being because of the fact that people use things for different reasons, not necessarily aligning with the purposes derived from said objective framework, meaning that things have different purpose distributions to different people. for example, the makeup of a pencil is oriented towards writing with, but that does not make it wrong to use their sharp tips to clean within nooks and crannies. Though it would be misleading to say that the purpose of pencils is to clean within nooks and crannies just because that is what you usually use it for. But this problem does not port over well to sex or sexual pleasure because most people think pleasure is the more important effect of sex than reproduction, otherwise birth rates would be a lot higher.
There are plenty of people who believe their life is bad and that they wish they had never been born, yet they do not kill themselves, are they mistaken or confused about this evaluation? Suicide is seen as a shameful, selfish, and cowardly act, so people often defy their desires to do it for the sake of keeping face/ honor. Another reason that makes people reluctant to follow through with their suicidal temptations is because they are afraid of death.
If there was a socially acceptable and harmless way to wirehead yourself, most people myself included would use it. But masturbation is not really analogous to that because in addition to bringing pleasure, it also satisfies sexual urges, which are more or less involuntary.
It does not come to feel hollow or less pleasurable because you think its not resulting in anything besides pleasure and the satisfaction of sexual drives unless you have been taught to think that way. If society keeps telling somebody that what they are doing is useless and hollow, then I assume they become more inclined to think that way, than if that behavior was not stained by those narratives.
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