Amadan
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Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
10d ago
I think knowing what a woman is is pretty deeply rooted in our biology and no amount of gaslighting and enforced consensus can change that. 1984, famously about the Party's ability to make people say black is white and up is down and war is peace, spent a lot of time describing how much effort went into enforcing these edicts, and the implicit message there (though not the one Orwell was getting at) is that people actually knew the truth, even if they knew better than to say it. Even the most loyal enthusiasts might convince themselves they really believed war was peace and we had always been at war with Oceania, but people would slip because they couldn't actually turn off memory and reason entirely.
So it is even with the most devoted adherents of trans ideology. They tell themselves they really, truly believe trans women are women and "woman" is just an arbitrary socially constructed label. But they don't actually want to fuck a person who clocks as the wrong sex (it's more than just genitals, we all know this). On a deep, instinctual level they recognize the difference. To the degree that they are sincere, they may convince themselves TWAW but they have to work at it to keep their words and behavior in line with what they claim to believe or they will slip up. And I think actually a lot of them are insincere and will ditch TWAW as soon as it is no longer the thing all good progressives believe. You'll see then how attached they really were to this professed lack of difference.
That said, you are right about some things. A lot of unphysical guys who've never done sports or martial arts really don't understand just how significant the physical differences between men and women are. If their last time in physical competition was middle school, they probably knew some girls who were more athletic than a lot of boys and hadn't yet seen just how rapidly that changes once the T hits.
I have to admit to being a nerdy, awkward kid who hated sports in school, and I was one of those guys... until I took up martial arts as an adult. At first I was a little confused that a woman with a higher belt wasn't wiping the mat with me the way more experienced men did, and that in fact I had to be careful not to hurt her. This was, you might say, a little red-pill moment.
Which is, I observe, is exactly what it looks like when a pro-T prog guy tries to write women characters. They write women as men with some shallow "loli Dylan Mulanney" cuteness, because they don't actually have a mental model of "women" as having any differences in mentality, life experiences, preferences, traits, qualities or viewpoints compared to men. "A woman is a dude who spends 12 hours writing spreadsheets about Warhammer 40k battleships and then adds a heart emoji and a tee hee at the end. Don't deadname her, bigot."
You've read John Scalzi, I see.
And terfy ladies, you didn't just sow the seeds here. You plowed the fields, fertilized them, then set up aggressive arrangements of killbot scarecrows to fend off any threats to the seeds. I'm not sure how you can recover from that without rewriting a significant portion of third wave feminism, but maybe that's a me problem.
TERFs are mostly second wave feminists and very much want to rewrite third wave feminism. Second wavers largely believe that absent the patriarchy, men and women would behave the same, but physical differences are real. Third wavers are the ones who went post-modernist about gender categories.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
11d ago
Which is a roundabout way of saying that, in my view, Defense spending should absolutely be as touchable as entitlement spending, maybe even more so.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that, even though it would be to my personal detriment. But on the one hand, you are talking about things we could do to improve the economy and the country. On the other hand, you argue that we should not bother to do that because you don't want the other party to have a stronger economy to work with when they come into power. So I am a little confused what you actually want if it's not "Assume everyone is in defect mode and loot what we can."
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
12d ago
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
12d ago
The Republicans haven't been the party of "fiscal responsibility" any more than the Democrats have been the party of the working class in living memory.
Are you just making a somewhat sardonic argument for accelerationism ("we should just loot the treasury since that's what everyone does when they're in power?") or do you actually have a proposition for how we could right the ship in some fashion? I feel like you're really just making another pitch for accepting that America is over, and so, okay, then what?
The actual solution to the debt is what we've discussed many times: entitlements and defense spending, both of which are regarded as more or less untouchable. Every other "budget-cutting measure" (including and especially DOGE) is just theatrics. Since most people agree that neither party will have the stones to cut Social Security or Medicare or really meaningfully slash the military, the actual question seems to be, can we somehow survive this? (Here we hear arguments for AGI saving us, or asteroid mining opening up a new frontier, or Modern Monetary Theory being real, all just variations on "Wish for a miracle.") Or are we debating how much ruin is actually left in the nation and whether we or our children will outlive it?
There is always the option that we face reality and do the hard things, and I think that is still possible - sometimes people do the hard things when they actually have no other choice. But you do make a compelling case that rather than hoping for actual economic reform even if it does mean I personally will see my retirement amount to less than it should have been, I should be selfish and just try to grab what I can and hope I'm dead before the shit really hits the fan. Sucks for the kids, though.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
14d ago
I started writing a response with my own anecdotes several times, then decided not to, as I don't wish to provide too much identifying information.
Suffice to say I have experienced similar things. I definitely remember a time, pre-Great Awokening, when I had friends who were both right and left. Sometimes we had some pretty vicious arguments, but we usually patched things up afterwards. And my other friends on the left and right could at least conceive of being friendly with folks in the other tribe. Now, not so much.
That said, I saw the online precursors of the Great Awokening well before 2012. I was online way back before 9/11. I remember some leftists absolutely losing their shit over Bush (and telling me that my ability to be friends with Republicans made me a fascist sympathizer). I also remember conservatives on social media circa 2008 and 2012 absolutely losing their shit over Obama's election (and reelection), and angrily demanding that people defriend, shun, and even divorce any friends or family members who voted for him.
This is not to say that both sides do this equally (they definitely do not - I still have some right-wing friends, while I have lost liberal friends for having right-wing friends) but I definitely see accelerationism picking up steam on both sides.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
14d ago
I'll bite. I have an EV, and it had nothing to do with virtue signalling (and being "green" was little more than an afterthought). I bought an EV because when I was looking for new cars, I tried them out and loved them. The torque, the smooth ride, the lack of vibrations, noise, or smell. I will probably never go back to ICE. The convenience of never having to go to a gas station or get an oil change again really is awesome.
It does of course come with some caveats: I was able to put a charger in my garage. Charging at home is the real game-changer for EVs. And I mostly only drive locally. @100ProofTollBooth is right that I wouldn't choose it for a "go explore remote mountain trails" car. (That said, modern EVs have a 300+ mile range, so it's not that easy to run out of battery without very poor planning.)
Also, I did not buy a Tesla, and again, not because I have Musk Derangement Syndrome. Teslas have the best software, generally, but other than that, a lot of EV makers beat them on comfort and performance (and I just don't like having everything be controlled by a tablet).
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
15d ago
Read: “I made an alt so I can drop a pissy comment without repercussions”
Don't be pissy yourself.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
15d ago
What a coincidence: I just read John Williams' "Augustus" and I was also scratching my head over what "the Octavian strategy" meant here.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
18d ago
Yes, but how much of that 25-30% is literal smut ("romantasly"?) or a Sci-Fi with added romance to it?
In Korea? Not much. In the West? I think mainstream romance (which may include a little bit of steaminess but generally ends in a conventional HEA between a monogamous couple) still outsells smut/romantasy by a significant amount.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
18d ago
The report button goes to all the mods, not just me. I do not make all mod decisions, I just tend to be the most visible.
As for your post, well, kind of borderline. "Something has to be a little bit wrong aberrant with you to be a conservative in a time when their sentiments are flatly unwelcome at our various employers' pride networking corporate events." On one level, I get what you are saying, that someone who is publicly signaling opposition is probably a confrontational sort of personality and maybe looking for a fight? But phrased as if there is something inherently wrong or "aberrant" about being a conservative, it is not surprising you got peoples' backs up.
Otoh, @ThomasdelVasto saying:
Why does it seem like so many conservatives in the public eye are degenerate perverts? Lord have mercy on this wicked generation.
is hardly more conducive to a respectful exchange of ideas with people who do not share your ideology.
I don't think either post merits modding, but neither of you have much room to be complaining.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
19d ago
I am a moderator, and you should care because I enforce the rules here, which include rules against personal antagonism, uncharitability, and carrying on with grudges.
Normally I might give you the benefit of the doubt and point out to you that when you see someone replying to you with that red banner, it's a mod post and it's meant to be heeded if you don't want to lose your posting privileges.
But this is the second time I have modded you for being unnecessarily belligerent, and your response has been to double down with more antagonism. Possibly you did not remember our previous interaction, but I do not think you are so new you are unfamiliar with the rules and moderation here.
I lightly warned you to tone it down, and you seem unable to respond to any kind of criticism or correction with anything but belligerence.
You're banned for another week. Future bans will escalate quickly if you cannot change tack.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
21d ago
The large proportion of men whom I am concerned about not having a stake in our civilization are mostly not incels.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
21d ago
I see. That's a more depressing prediction, though perhaps more realistic.
I don't see dateless men being a significant factor in that, though. I don't actually believe incels are a factor at all, other than online.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
21d ago
I do not believe for a second this is your first rodeo. But in any case, I cannot make you heed my warning. The course from here is up to you.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
21d ago
I see this online a lot lately: supposedly all these "tfw no girlfriend" guys are going to rise up. "You are in danger!"
No. These guys are, frankly ,not the warfighting kind. They'll jack off to porn and seethe and imagine burning it all down (and you'll get the occasional Elliott Rodgers) but there's no movement of dateless men ready to "do something" and even a more political Andrew Tate probably couldn't move them to that kind of action.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
21d ago
Everyone has the relationship they deserve.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
21d ago
Okay, look buddy -
You spinning up a new alt every few weeks to whine about your lack of sexual success is not strictly against the rules, though you're bordering on single-issue posting and we dislike alt-churning, which means the next time you create a new account to repeat the cycle we may not let it out of the new user filter.
This top level itself did not violate any rules though it did incur the displeasure of many people reporting it. There is a certain entertainment value in a good blackpill rant, but not everyone finds them entertaining, especially as the problem with blackpillers is that they take themselves very, very seriously and become increasingly irate when they realize other people do not.
Which is where you are now, heading in a predictable direction, which is getting belligerent and insulting towards everyone who argues with you and sounding like the penultimate act of The Feminist. You're filling the queue now because everyone from those politely disagreeing with you to those offering well-intentioned advice is getting snarled at or told they're lying about their own life experiences.
Knock it off. Take a breath. Touch grass. But mostly, accept that other people's perspectives may not match yours, and if you want to doompost, you still need to engage with civility and the same charity you would like to be extended to you.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
23d ago
I agree with you that some people pretend not to understand why other men would want a virgin (or as close to virgin as possible).
That said, the US is no longer governed by traditional Christian mores. You may bemoan that and seek smaller communities where the norms remain, but it shouldn't surprise you that a lot of people nowadays genuinely do find it strange to care so much about body counts.
I must say I myself find strange the new pagan-Western ritual of engaging in a series of pretend-marriages wherein you cohabitate, have sex, and mix finances with multiple partners before you finally vow lifetime partnership to whichever one you happen to be with when you realize the window for children is closing. And then have your first child in your mid-thirties.
FWIW, I actually agree with you that this is fucked up and in my personal life I prefer something much closer to traditional Christian ethics even though I am not Christian.
I do not miss that being the law or de facto law, though.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
23d ago
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
23d ago
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I'M POINTING OUT A SYSTEMIC ISSUE THAT IS EFFECTING EVERYONE IN EVERY COUNTRY SIMULTANEOUSLY AND YOU THINK I'M PLACING BLAME ON ANY SPECIFIC GENDER, OR GROUP?
Going into a capslocking spiral does not make your point stronger. No, I do not think this is a systemic issue affecting everyone in the country simultaneously.
Identify the cohort of males who are carousing and stealing women's most fertile years and cull them. Just straight up kill 'em.
That's, uh, quite an immodest proposal. Besides vibes-based executions of anyone who seems a little too caddish, how do you propose implementing this as a practical matter?
Basically, remove the economic policies that keep women from enduring any significant difficulties, ever, from childhood on, so that women will actually need a man in their life for more than just happy fun sexy times.
It's hard not to see rants like this as "incel, bitter, and women-hating" when you insist that women are kept from "enduring any significant difficulties, ever, from childhood on" (do you actually... know any women? Would any of them agree with this characterization of their lives? Do you think they are all lying or delusional?) and that the solution is to make women need a man (you didn't even qualify that with "to raise a child" - I was accused of being unfair in characterizing your position as "force women to settle for someone and marry him whether she wants to or not" but that seems to be literally what you are advocating here).
Now you added a sort of "j/k... unless?" coda but if you didn't really mean a single thing you suggested, what do you actually suggest? If the situation is genuinely as dire as you claim, then we would be essentially facing doom without implementing the Dread Jim Protocols. Of course I do not think the situation is as dire as you claim.
all I'm asking from YOU is that you politely stand aside and don't raise a fuss if men start taking steps that will address the problem since you're clearly not interested in accepting any responsibility or otherwise intervening to help.
No, you're asking me to stop arguing or opposing the measures you suggest. I will not be doing that.
If you suddenly start interfering with attempts to address the problem, you're really not on men's side anyway.
I'm not on your side. I do not accept that you are arguing on behalf of men.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
23d ago
South Korea's problems are numerous, and the lack of desire of South Korean women to marry and have children is more that they perceive it as being a shit deal for them than that they are all sleeping around. (SK is still a pretty conservative country and most of them aren't.)
Most American women are also not just ordering up dick on Tinder.
When you say "We should change course," do you have any suggestions that aren't basically "Reduce female agency"? Because you seem to blame everything on women while rejecting any suggestion that unsuccessful men are to blame for their own lack of success .
Many trans activists and progressives now explicitly reject all of those premises.
There are really only a handful of anti-trans people who literally believe people shouldn't be "allowed" to transition. You are an adult who wants to have surgery and hormones and live your life as the opposite sex? Okay. Probably most conservatives would even be willing to go along and use your preferred pronouns out of politeness. They might think you're mentally ill and should reconsider your life choices, but only assholes go out of their way to "misgender" someone just to make sure you know what they think of you.
It's when the "debate" went far beyond semantics and social kindness that trans people became seen as more than just troubled individuals who deserve sympathy. It's not meaningless semantics when we're talking about puberty blockers for children, or men competing in sports and being housed in women's prisons and taking over women's spaces, or people being shunned or professionally harmed for saying there are four lights.
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