ArjinFerman
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Eh, actually 15 is still in the danger zone. Girls will have started puberty 1-2 years ahead (12-13) and so at 15 will still be ahead or apace
The adult women world champion football team is losing to the under-16 boys' teams (not even the champions) regularly.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
First, police stations are state property. They are of a lesser legal status than federal property when it comes to crimes against them, is my understanding.
On the other hand, burning something down to the ground is an act of greater violence than breaking in and aimlessly walking around the premises until asked to leave. How do you know the former amounts to greater crime?
Either way the major argument I'm making is more symbolic
The symbolic argument is far more subjective, I don't see how you can insist you're obviously right with it.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
There was less "violence and threats of violence against congress", and more "fumbling around a building until asked to leave". Also what they set on fire was a police station, making it more than mere property crime.
Violence committed on federal property is a bigger issue.
So... it's closer to those federal courthouses being attacked, than the police precinct being burned down?
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Do you think gay conversion therapy is bad? If so, can we make it not-gay-conversion-therapy by insisting that the opposite sex partner we're trying to hook the gay person up with is actually of the same sex?
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
I thought you said there was a legal argument for it being worse, rather than merely symbolic?
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
I'm open to hearing your case. Please tell me what is the argument for setting a police station on fire being less illegal than breaking into the building of the legislature.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
If it's so non-special, why do protesters not storm it more often?
For the same reason people don't burn down that specific police precinct in Minneapolis more often.
Manifestly, doing so would shut down a central government function that pisses a lot of people off
The protest in question did not result in the shutdown of the central government.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Nah. The singling out of "main legislative building" is nothing more than special pleading aimed at pretending one is different from the other, when they are very clearly not.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Especially with the elephant in the room, feminism, insisting that there are no meaningful between men and women that could justify any discrepancy in representation in any professional field. Women are just like men and want the exact same things, right? So, what exactly are the differences you're allowed to talk about?
This did short-circuit my brain for quite a while. Arguably the whole trans thing is a massive conspiracy to genocide and/or cause misery to the autists - even if they don't get you to sterilize yourself, navigating sex differences without ever being able to acknowledge their existence will be quite a minefield.
And terfy ladies, you didn't just sow the seeds here. You plowed the fields, fertilized them, then set up aggressive arrangements of killbot scarecrows to fend off any threats to the seeds. I'm not sure how you can recover from that without rewriting a significant portion of third wave feminism, but maybe that's a me problem.
On one hand, not wrong, on the other we've all been subjected to psyop upon psyop, and it's not like the male counterpart - "Tits and beer liberalism" - has nothing to answer for here. As long as they're willing to move on and work with men in a constructive capacity (and I've seen some indication of that happening, the Men's Sheds drama in the UK got quite a pushback from TERFs), I'm for cutting them some slack.
Didn't it?
That's my entire point, It did... but it didn't. The gains in productivity from paper to digital were massive, they should have allowed us to carve out entire swathes of administrative bloat out of our systems, but instead the opposite happened. I have my own anecdotes from older people living through the digital revolution, and Nybbler got my point instantly - we just came up with more meaningless paperwork to fill, to compensate for the gains.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
Surely, there will some productivity gains from all of this.
Why? Going from paper to digital was a much bigger step, and it created almost no productivity gains.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
A superpower going bankrupt is very much précédented(Russia in the nineties).
We're talking global reserve currency here. Did Rome ever go bankrupt? That's the closest analogy I could think of.
He is indeed my long lost, blackpilled, twin brother.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
The issue being dismissed for as long as I was alive might have something to do with it. Also the whole point of MAGA is that it's not basic "muh fiscal conservatism".
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
You're approaching this from an angle where propaganda is something I don't think it is.
Maybe. I think it's media created with the purpose of spreading and inculcating ideas and specific types of thinking, is that not what it is? What do you think it is?
Joe Rogan wasn't 'built'. It was an accidental fire that happened to be able to exist since it spawned from spheres that were very much not intellectual and not mainstream.
His podcast is very much a result of deliberate human action, rather than a random accident. None of his story that you bring up contradicts my point, and none of what you said addresses it.
Similar to how cries of cries of a lack of internet censorship were eventually heard, the calls for a left wing Joe Rogan will eventually be heard.
The left might one day decide to turn itself into something that can sustain a left-wing Joe Rogan, but it is currently incapable of doing so. They might succeed in taking him down, they might succeed in having him supplanted by slop they control, but unless they change themselves, they're not reproducing him or the effect he's having on the world.
ArjinFerman
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8d ago
And where did "this one thing" come from? It didn't fall out from the sky, it wasn't a preexisting institution that managed to resist takeover by happenstance, it was built from scratch. If progressive propaganda was limitlessly effective this wouldn't happen in the first place, and they wouldn't be pulling their hair out at their inability to reproduce it.
ArjinFerman
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8d ago
Keep hoping I'll get to tinker a day or two past Tuesday, but at some point I have to cut the losses. A state that might persist well into July, let's see.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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8d ago
In my opinion, it's not about believing him, or not. The point is they gave him power, and what he did with it was thoroughly unimpressive, he can't blame that on the rest of the administration.
If it's because he was doing "typical Musk overpromising", maybe he should have thought twice before overpromising so much.
Musk is being ejected for some other reason.
Yeah, because he's causing chaos for absolutely no political benefit. Rubio at least brought some scalps when he was given charge of USAID.
If we just look at things which are not just directly related to the changed political valence of the platform
First, people are acting like the political valance of the platform has flipped, this is false. Progressives can post just as easily as they used to, they just don't want to do it when non-progressives have the right to respond.
Secondly, that's stacking the deck already, you can't just not look at it. It was total woke narrative control, even mild jokes used to get accounts nuked. A bit more spam is a fair price to pay for that, as far as I can tell. And it's objectively better that it's not like this anymore, as opposed to just better for one side, because you can't have a healthy ecosystem with one side nuking everyone that disagrees with them. Or put another way - a non-political person is better off having access to info from all tribes.
ArjinFerman
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8d ago
So who is really the odd one out here? The people who have managed to propagandize nigh every western institutional and intellectual space to deliver their message, or the people who periodically pop their heads out of the ocean of left wing propaganda to pissedly proclaim that you can't propagandize everything... Before diving back in.
I'm partial to "propaganda works", but clearly it has it's limits. Why else are they freaking out over Joe Rogan? If they conquered all spaces so thoroughly, shouldn't he be no threat to them?
ArjinFerman
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8d ago
Buying Twitter did not improve things.
You mean in the eyes of Blues / Greys, or actually? Because in my opinion it objectively did.
Maybe he can bring some of that spirit to his own companies, and actually deliver on some of the insane things he's been promising.
He was given quite a bit of power and room to play with DOGE, promised to find billions in waste and fraud, and came back with essentially nothing. The only reason he was even given this, is that he helped out by buying Twitter, and that debt needed repaying, but with time it became obvious he's a liability, so they had to cut him loose.
You are asking for non-public numbers that being a non-public company SpaceX is under no obligation to provide
I know, that's my point. My entire argument is that he's setting money on fire for gimmicks, and that if said gimmicks won't provide an actual return on investment, the parts of his companies that are bringing in revenue won't be enough to cover for the losses. To that I'm met with an endless stream of "but look at all the launches" arguments, that never actually show said launches are bringing enough profit to bailout projects like Starship, let alone the decline of Tesla.
account for roughly 2/3rds of the company's revenue, and since most of that is for actual services rather than hardware it probably has a decent profit margin, but everyone has their own assumptions.
Even though they're not selling a lot of hardware, they still need to make a lot of it to maintain the service. Starlink satelites have a 5 year lifespan. They need to keep making, and putting them into orbit. If launching them with Falcon was enough to justify the company's existence, I doubt he'd be trying to make Starship the Next Big Thing so quickly.
I know Musk is one of the richest people on Earth, but even he doesn't have unlimited cash to throw at a failing endevour.
Correct, this is why I called him "a dead man walking".
ArjinFerman
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8d ago
What a wonderful development. Get the popcorn.
Indeed!
Hopefully Musk learns what the majority of the rest of the grey tribe learned long ago: that Trump, while being useful for trashing wokeness, is broadly a thuggish buffoon.
If there was such a thing as "Elite Human Capital" which, for whatever reason, decided that Orange Man Bad, I'd imagine it would be capable of grasping truly mind-bending unintuitive ideas like "let the retards fight", but alas not only is the "Elite Human Capital at home" not capable of that, they picked the wrong retard to hitch themselves to.
It will be fun to see what they'll come up with to blame their own decision on the populists, a few months down the line.
abundance Democrat,
There's effectively no such thing. If an Abundance Democrat ever gets into power and a Woke Democrat demands their Abundant policies be filled with Wokeness, the former will cave immediately.
I remained timescale agnostic in my definition, so that doesn't contradict any part of my reasoning. As for blocking ideas, there are a few ways you can do that with propaganda, but they're limited. You can spam your ideas to drown others, or you can debunk / or prebunk the ones you don't like and/or mark them as low-status, but if by "blocking" you're referring to literally preventing other ideas from reaching their audience, than I'd argue you're the one conflating concepts and "approaching this from an angle where propaganda is something I don't think it is".
How is this a response to my point? I specifically said they won't need to change to block him.
Exactly what my argument would predict.
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