ArjinFerman
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Okay, if merging multiple groups isn't overinclusion then let's just define ourselves to be part of a shared ethnic group containing everyone except the North Sentinelese islanders.
This is a major turn-off, man.
I'm not asking you all these questions to score an "own", or deboonk the idea of credal nations. Actually I like that idea a lot, I even prefer it to ethnonationalism, I just think it needs to address a few issues in order to be sustainable (I mostly agree with Southkraut on this). When center-to-leftwing people started using the term, there's a part of me that was skeptical, and a part of me that was curious. The curious part wondered if the left identified the same issues, and if they came up with the same solutions, or different ones, and is there anything I can learn from that. Hence, our conversation. But when you hit me with these redditisms I think I was right to be skeptical, and to think that the left only settled on the term cynically, because it sounds nice in opposition to ethnic identities, but it's something they haven't put a lot of thought into at all.
If you want a serious answer to this, it's: yeah, you can, if it makes sense. If we ever suffer an alien invasion something like this probably will happen. If the North Sentinelese side with the aliens something exactly like this might happen. But tell me, would handing out passports and giving full unconditional citizenship to every Chinese or Russian make a lot of sense to you in the current geopolitical situation?
You asked me for what I would put in a creed. I interpreted a "creed" as being a legally and culturally enforced set of beliefs. I would like to enforce a belief in basic property rights.
That's the approach Europe took, and it now has significant portions of the population with absolutely no loyalty to the countries they're living in. Even the US, which has long been gloating about how effectively it assimilates immigrants, is starting to struggle in that area (because they were only effective at it back when they were a lot more forceful about assimilation, than just enforcing basic property rights?).
Converting the muslims by proximity and getting more people into heaven.
How many Muslims that moved to Europe converted to Christianity, vs. how many Christian Europeans lost their faith within the same timeline?
I think you're getting confused on my expected timeline
No, I'm not. I was asking how is it a "creedal nation" if you're not enforcing a creed. You hint that you want to, you bring up "enforcement [of Catholicism]" again, but when I asked you about it before you started talking about property rights.
(Where we are now.) Country has a creed (American civic religion) and enforces it (though not very well).
No, this is another part of why I wanted to have this conversation. In theory America could be described as a creedal nation, with the principles of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence being the creed. The issue os that not only is the creed not enforced, being actively hostile to it is allowed, and often encouraged. Some of the worst transgressors are presidents, supreme court judges, and congressmen.
There is absolutely no way that in practice America today is a creedal nation.
...or basically, what happened to the roman empire. We've done it before and we can do it again.
Is the Edict of Thessalonica happening somewhere on this timeline?
If it lost then it must not have been so beneficial after all.
I think that's a very naive view. Is communism more beneficial in North Korea and Cuba, than other economic systems?
ArjinFerman
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12hr ago
Man, this week is happening too fast.
Well, I spend some time trying to figure out how to handle mapping from Substack. It turns out that my previous approach was a bit goofy, as for Twitter I ended up introducing an intermediate layer that matches neither my, nor Tiwtter's data structure. I could have a data layer that matches each API, but the level of nesting in Twitter's data is something I do not want to deal with at all, so direct translation into my structure it is, and the same will apply to Substack. This means I've been slowly refactoring the import code, and I will be doing so for a while yet.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
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16hr ago
Dedicated activist right-wingers will have added it to their long list of grievances against the left, but it will no longer feel fresh and visceral and pale against the volume and weight of other grievances like COVID and BLM.
I dunno, man. It's not that you're even wrong here, per se, it's just that there's a certain "we're done here" quality about it. But who knows, maybe we'll just loop right back to the same old, same old.
Certainly the French and the Russians needed no American inspiration
You might be surprised. As an Easterner I grew up with a fair bit of "Germany bad" injected right into my veins, but then I met actual Germans and it turned out trotting up historical greviences isn't even that fun with them, bcause they've been self-flaggelating to the point that nothing you throw in their face can faze them. Then started hearing about "controversies" like "people are waving the German flag after winning the world football championship".
These were bizarre and unsettling experiences, even with all my historical biases in place. The French / Russian propaganda was a completely different thing from what was being pumped into Germany.
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18hr ago
Tribal warfare, or even hunting other animals.
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20hr ago
I've many disagreements with trans activists but I really don't think this is like a hormones cause radicalization thing
Yeah, it's not hormones, the community itself is quite culty, and the ideology is radical.
ArjinFerman
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20hr ago
Oh my, talk about dodging bullets.
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21hr ago
If it's completely normal as you say, then why is it not done for service members or school shootings?
How many examples do I need to post to establish that this happens, and is not treated as an aberration worthy of protest? Which part of "not for everybody" did you not get?
Even you acknowledge it's not just done all the time then.
The argument never relied on it happening "all the time".
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21hr ago
It's a good start, but "Blue Tribe leadership" and "Democratic politicians" don't overlap that significantly. The attitude towards the Red Tribe needs to change in all major Blue Tribe institutions: academia, education, journalism, media. When that happens it will become somewhat believable that we rank somewhere above "cockroach" in the Blue Tribe hierarchy.
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21hr ago
That doesn't matter, Kirk wasn't universally liked on the right either.
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22hr ago
I don't think it really matters whether the killer was some trans-tifa expressing their hatred of CISHET males, a Groyper expressing their hatred of normies, or a random nutter. What matters is that a 31-year-old father of two was killed, on stage, in front of hundreds of onlookers. The question now is if this is something that we want to happen more often.
You're kind of right that it doesn't matter. This was, in fact, a point made by oneof the anons I follow: even if it turns out the killer was a literal humanoid frog dressed head to toe in nazi regalia, we've seen the reactions of the vast swathes on the left. There's no walking away from that.
As to whether we want thia happen more ir less often, the ball is largely in your court on that.
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22hr ago
Let's approach this in good faith, is it possible they shot it down because attempts for prayers don't happen with other victims of gun violence?
How is that approaching it in good faith? It's completely normal for legislative institutions around the entire world to occasionally honor somebody with a moment of silence or other ritual. Obviously this isn't done for everybody, and the demand for it to be seems to have been pulled out of thin air.
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23hr ago
What is the purpose of this question? If he didn't post on these topics on reddit at the time, does that mean he's a hypocrite and his post is invalid?
Yes?
If so, state that directly rather than asking passive-aggressive "gotcha" questions.
Point taken.
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23hr ago
I was shocked today when I saw a Republican Congressman announce a woke-era pressure campaign againt people who "belittled" the assasination. Apparently I have a much longer memory than many people. I still remember 2020. I still remember George Floyd.
Mine's a bit rusty. For example, I don't remember your username attached to a lot of commentary about woke-era pressure campaigns, or George Floyd, as they were happening. Care to refresh it?
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1d ago
Soros, I'll grant you. I can add a few other cartoon-villainesque people like Klaus Schwab, Yuval Noah Harrari, Ursula von der Leyen or Christine Lagarde. But a noname DEI Blackrok patsy? I doubt it.
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1d ago
I never bought into that one. There's clearly a difference between a skirmish in the ol' fistycuffs after some heated words have been exchanged in a bar, "oi mate, you better give me your wallet", and what you'd do to some fool that just broke into your house. Political violence might be more of an on/off switch, as for a right-winger, you're not really supposed to do it, unless you're in war, but once you're there...
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1d ago
That's scary, considering that my razor has 6...
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1d ago
with the caveat that it falters if pulls a Toobin and is back in six months.
a) I had no idea that happened, but more importantly
b) I'm shocked anyone that worked with him would even want him back, or that he could look anyone he worked with in the eyes...
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1d ago
That's fair, however:
But, taken as an abstraction, the experts are always right.
'Member "question authority"? I 'member.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Would they really try that one so soon?
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1d ago
I have shifted the vibes, pray I do not shift them any further...
And it does not stop the fascists from rallying if they simply pick a different symbol or color.
Please don't tell me none of them came up with the idea to use the Quadruple Progress Flag.
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1d ago
I dunno, man. I think it's quite likely, unless the market gods decide it's time for line go down.
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1d ago
while the Left as the collectivist, bottom-up side
Debatable. Collectivist maybe, but "trust the experts" is not the slogan of of a non-hierarchical, non-authoritarian, bottom-up movement, and ideas like "the working class is mired in false consciousness" are indicative of someone who believes minorities and individuals can be more representative of a group, even as they contradict the majority opinion.
Every decade or so some dude gets tired of coding, and comes up with a new retarded paradigm that amounts to putting the same shit in a different package, but he can now go around big corpos selling workshops.
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