ArjinFerman
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Where are you getting that from? This would be a rather unconventional use of "STEM". Not saying you're wrong, but finding out would require a lot more clicking into his link, than I can do right now.
The irony of this is that the whole idea of a "nation" is an over-inclusion:
I'm not seeing it. "Overinclusion" was a shorthand for the latter part of the following statement:
But I think by far the bigger threat is a government that excludes people who indisputably share my creed, versus a government that would try and promote another creed.
The direct analogy to that would be a multiethnic empire promoting one ethnic group to the detriment of others, not one that attempts to merge multiple groups into a single one.
General rule: people have the right to allocate the use of their excludable property
We were talking about the creedal nation, you explicitly said you would have said creed enforced by the government, why the sudden switch to basic property rights?
Sorry, I meant that your description of my views was accurate.
Lol, ok. I had a whole paragraph ready to go, in case you meant that, but somehow convinced myself it's not possible.
If you'd be ok with importing a sizeable portion of Muslims without being able to force them to attend Church, how is that not a straightforward example of excluding allies (the few Christians sprinkled in) being to the advantage of the creedal nation? We've seen the deterioration of social cohesion that results from this, what is supposed to be the upside?
More importantly, how is it even a creedal nation if you don't exclude other creeds, and abandon the mechanism of enforcing your creed that you put forward yourself?
If it's true that my beliefs are beneficial, then that truth is asymmetric. Also some beliefs contain the sub-belief that they're guaranteed to be beneficial if [and sometimes only if] they're true. So long as I'm confident in the meta-belief that I'm maximising personal benefit, those beliefs have an asymmetric power over me (so long as they're true.)
Ok. My point was that something can be true and beneficial, and lose to the false and detrimental. Even the false/detrimental thing ultimately collapses, and you get to claim some metaphysical victory, the costs of letting it happen would be enormous, and that this kind of complecancy is not what I'd typically associate with Catholicism.
If the deal was that I have to listen without objection to other people using preferred pronouns, and only when I'm in a trans person's house, I think that would be more than reasonable.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
If you came to this country and wanted to stay there and assimilate, would you go to Sunni or Shiite mosque?
Which ones are telling me my people should go extinct?
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Did you read the rest of my comment? I'm not using "violence" in a pejorative sense here, I'm using it because within the linguistic resources of English it is the most general word available, unless I am very much mistaken.
Yeah, I know. This is exactly how "taxation is theft is used", and yet it was dubbed "the worst argument in the world". I haven't kept track of names and dates, but I'm pretty sure there's a strong overlap between people agreeing with Scott's "worst argument in the world", and proponents of "immigration enforcement is violence".
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
purely American creation
That's a bit far. I think they'd fit right into Europe.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Isn't using men with guns to do something part of the standard definition of violence? How do illegal immigrants get removed from the country?
"Worst argument in the world" people, when someone wants to have borders....
Now overlap a net immigration chart on that. And then add an immigration / GDP chart of the US for comparison, and added effect.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Ah ok, that's what you mean. Yeah, I think I agree that this is a plausible mechanism for improving the economy via immigration. The problem is that it can have a similar effect on other institutions, and therefore it's not clear it's worth the cost. Also, I think the modal immigration enjoyer would self-immolate before willingly describing the mechanism with this level of clarity and honesty.
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3mo ago
Right. Does that get solved by airdropping a million Syrians somehow?
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
That's hardly the question. The question is, had they been able to attract immigrants, would they have done better? The answer is clearly yes
...yeah, because to attract migrants you need to be doing better to begin with. How is that relevant for the discussion?
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3mo ago
Please, I am begging you, tell me with a straight face that the poor economic outcomes of the communist block was due to not accepting enough migrants.
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3mo ago
Yes, they totally didn't do a whole bunch of other things that are more likely to be responsible for their outcome.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Just once I'd like to see an example of a country that didn't follow suit and suffered some horrible negative consequences.
Also: sure, I think the leaders of most of these countries are on board for the world depopulation train.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Japan, Poland, etc are doing the same thing.
Why would that mean anything, let alone that the decisions is justify on material / economic grounds? World elites have remarkably narrow worldviews. Do you think gender self-ID was implemented in a good chunk of Europe for material reasons? Do you think there were BLM marches there because of how badly black people were treated?
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3mo ago
To me this whole line of thought breaks down once you analyze what happens when two copies exist at the same time. If a copy of you existed in the past, do you have memories of it the same way you do of yourself? No? In that case they're not the same.
What about the future? My first conversation with a transhumanist was a guy trying to convince me that if I do a mind-upload upon death, it's just going to feel like going to sleep and waking up in a virtual world. My view is that it's going to feel like going to sleep and never waking up again, and we can prove that by running a mind-simulation of yourself now, and observing these entities exist independent from each other, without direct sharing of experiences. It is the belief that your meatbag self gets transferred into your virtual self that requires an immaterial soul.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Not me in the 'I would happily commit suicide because I'll still be alive' sense, but me in the 'exactly the same in every way' sense.
...and also in the "I'd let another man shaft my wife" sense. I can sort of understand feeling the same kind of affection you'd feel upon running into a lost twin brother you never knew existed, but you're clearly taking it to a point to a point that is beyond my understanding.
Divergence has nothing to do with it, you're just operating under a framework that's completely alien to me.
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3mo ago
And this analogy doesn't work, because performing a prayer is an additional task, whereas you were probably referring to someone with a pronoun regardless.
Wouldn't that mean it would be wrong to force someone who doesn't pray, to pray to Allah, but ok to force someone who does pray 5 times a day, but to a different god?
Seems kinda backwards to me.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
As long as you can't see the world through his eyes, hear it through his ears, be aware of his every thought and feeling, and directly control what he does, he's not you.
Would you also love letting them have a go at your wife?
Sounds horrifying? He'd love my wife as much as I do, be as attached to my entire life as much as I am, and think I'm the fake?
How doesn't this end with one of us dead, or feeling cucked for the rest his life?
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3mo ago
Sorry bro, I beat you to it.
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3mo ago
It could be that the loss of privacy from body cameras isn't relevant to the recruitment problems.
Yeah... you don't think the social movement to demonize the police might be more relevant here? Especially since it was the same movement that demanded the body cams, and thus explaining the timing?
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3mo ago
"I don't really think trans women are women, but if I'm just casually talking with someone and not sleeping with them, I don't want the other person to be unhappy and it's no big deal to say "she" instead of "he."
Is it a big deal to do 5 daily prayers to make your Muslim friends happy?
So does "pseudoscience".
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