Botond173
1d ago
You’ll probably find this unsurprising for a good reason, but I think it’s obvious that the people most likely to fantasize about rape, torture and murder are the ones most removed from the social reality of it, and this group in the West in general are suburban, middle-class women. The same phenomenon can be observed regarding the fandom around the Handmaid’s Tale, as it was discussed here on more than one occasion. They also the most likely to lap up feminist interpretations of crimes committed against women, which feminists are all too eager to provide.
Botond173
1d ago
OP claimed ‘the vast majority of teenage runaways who went missing did so of their own accord and were not victims of serious crime’. In the sense that the vast majority of them probably never fell victim to murder and were thus never mentioned in various true crime stories about serial killers, that is correct. I pointed out though that probably a large number of them were victimized in other ways, ways that are technically crimes even if many of the teenage victims made up their minds from the moment they ran away to turn into drug mules and prostitutes (which is possible but doesn’t seem likely), crimes that are usually considered serious in the mainstream.
The actors were making rational tradeoffs here; that's kind of why they were never reported.
I’d say the main reason was that teenage runaways were aware that trying to report a rape or assault to the police was likely to be a futile effort on their part.
I believe the meme was "I was young and needed the money".
I believe this meme usually refers to young women – that is, young adults – who did porn or posed for titty mags while in college, usually with no outside pressure being involved, so the situation is slightly different.
(Just like the groupies, for that matter, but in a slightly different way.)
Again, those are normally adults. I know it’s sort of a fad among third-wave feminists to bring up the horrible reality of so-called baby groupies, but this is still a fact.
and conflating teenagers with children, which you do further below
No, I mentioned (teenaged) children in the context of children of traumatized war veterans running away.
Botond173
2d ago
Well, if we want to be fair, the word 'serious' is doing the heavy lifting here, depending on the level of seriousness involved, because I'm sure many of the teenage runaways, especially girls, were sexually assaulted, molested, trafficked, recruited to become drug smugglers or prostitutes etc., crimes which were generally never reported. I guess maybe the great majority of them turned into average employees in the service sector, but I'm not sure about that.
Also, wasn't the period after 1973 one of stagflation and high unemployment? Surely it wasn't as bad as today for unskilled manual workers, but still.
Botond173
2d ago
If you’ve spent any amount of time online in the US true crime scene you’ve probably seen among other things the same account repeated over and over: teenage girl disappears without a trace; her concerned parents want to report her missing but local police refuses on grounds that she obviously just ran away and will probably contact them later. Potentially she’s just a junkie, a troublemaker delinquent or future prostitute; either way they think it’s not their job to search for her because reasons. They might also tell them to wait one/two/three days before filing a missing person claim because that’s the law or something. (True crime nerds will be happy to point out that no such law exists anywhere in fact.)
Later at some point someone finds her corpse or remains and it’s confirmed that she was brutally raped, tortured and slaughtered by some deranged serial killer or opportunistic toxic rapist dudebro. She is often identified only decades later thanks to DNA examination. (DNA research is a huge topic in the true crime subculture/fandom.) Said nerds, normally lipstick feminists and liberals, usually white suburban women, all agree that it’s a sad commentary on US police being lazy, misogynistic, uncaring assholes, especially in the South, of course.
Fair enough, I tell myself after hearing this; it’d be indeed difficult to show the police in a positive light in such cases. But I also notice what always goes unaddressed is the possibility that laziness and human evil alone do not fully explain the attitude of policemen. I mean – surely there were masses of teenagers who did indeed run away from home, weren’t there? And there was also a big surge in their number during the cultural and social upheaval of the ‘60s and ‘70s, right? We never hear about the great majority of them because their names never made it to true crime videos or documentaries, but the police was surely aware of them.
I once came across a description in a true crime book of social ills that led to a surge in crime in Weimar Germany. Millions of war veterans returned home, convinced that they fought for nothing and were humiliated, many of them with shattered bodies and/or shattered minds. Since these men were often violent and became alcoholics or drug addicts, if they had teenaged children, those often ran. The parallels with the US after the Vietnam War are kind of obvious, especially if we also consider the consequences of the upheavals I referred to above. In the Weimar era there were also many cases of divorced women throwing their children out to the street because daddy could no longer pay child support, and children running away from families that lost everything due to hyperinflation and later the Great Depression; many of them ended up as underaged prostitutes.)
So anyway, I find it a bit odd that the prejudices of law enforcement officers, who have to deal with the scum of society everyday, are dismissed automatically as evidently baseless. And this phenomenon does seem to be Blue Tribe coded.
Botond173
3d ago
So - basically foregoing dating and socializing with the opposite sex out of resentment and anxiety?
Botond173
3d ago
The average British, French or Belgian person in 1939 could absolutely not comprehend how anyone anywhere in the world would prefer war to peace, no matter how unjust or humiliating that peace was considered to be. In that sense their hatred of the Nazis was earnest and real.
Botond173
3d ago
The EU leadership seems to be convinced that they can force a Russian capitulation by escalating the war.
Botond173
3d ago
Such accusations against the AfD merely mean in practice that mainstream political parties in Germany are willing to sleepwalk into another big and disastrous European war for the third time in the span of 110 or so years and the AfD is the main opponent of that. In that sense they're the perfect counterexample of the stereotypically warmongering idiotic Germans.
Botond173
3d ago
Every political force in Germany had an expansionist foreign policy back then except for the Communists and a minority of Social Democrats who were unironically small-r republicans and willing to keep abiding by the Versailles 'Treaty'. The capitalist class, the landowner class, the army leadership and the bourgeoisie were all prepared to undo the shame of Versailles through war. It's just that, like the Nazis in fact, it was not another global war they had in mind. And it's not like the Communists were opposed to expansionism by virtue of being pacifists or thinking that Versailles was justified and fair.
Botond173
3d ago
As far as I can tell, true crime nerds, who are normally liberal and feminist in orientation, do usually and correctly recognize that lie detector tests are garbage science, on the other hand.
Botond173
3d ago
I'm pretty sure Redditors on average are using a laughably wide definition of 'MRA'/'red piller', especially considering that both phenomena have been practically dead for many years.
Botond173
3d ago
On a somewhat unrelated note I thought Nancy Grace generally has a bas reputation among overly online, true crime brained suburban white women.
Botond173
3d ago
Oh, so exactly like real life then.
Do you think average people have their sexual awakening after the age of 18?
Botond173
4d ago
It's just weird to think that, well after Eternal September, this line wasn't some universal standard even just from the US to the UK.
It's definitely not something I expected to learn.
Botond173
7d ago
see 2003 in the United Kingdom
the broader Blue Is The Warmest Color problem
Can you please elaborate on these? I don't quite understand the references.
it seems like it was just social conservatives and some second wave feminists who even found it noteworthy?
It does seem to me that no other group is even bringing up this bygone phenomenon anymore, and social conservatives do it to a much lesser extent than third/fourth-wave feminists whose attitude towards the Sexual Revolution and its consequences are mixed, to say the least, and are happy to dig up any example that counts in their worldview as the victimization of girls and young women by sleazebag older males in the name of sexual liberation and free love.
From a leftist point of view in general, on the other hand, the obvious problem with this issue is that the sexualization of both male and female children and adolescents that did take place after 1968 or so was only ever supported ideologically by liberal leftists, and it appears that their tribe eventually decid
Botond173
8d ago
Botond173
9d ago
I maintain that the unspoken impetus to form death squads is there but I think two other factors are at play here which explain the current situation. One is that, unlike in the case of the 2015 migrant wave, the overwhelming majority in the EU countries, even in Central and Eastern Europe, is on board with viewing these people as factual refugees. Two: the effect of pro-Ukrainian propaganda is overwhelming, and easily impedes any possible public expression of displeasure with hordes of Ukrainian women crossing the borders.
Botond173
9d ago
I'm assuming most of those Filipinas are technically temporary migrant workers with permits etc., not immigrants. Regarding Ukraine, I have to say don't know. I've never seen data on this, but I'd surprised to hear that the majority of Ukrainian immigrants have ever been women. I'm also of the view here that a distinction between refugees and immigrants is to be made, but that's a bit different subject. But anyway, OP is probably correct that men in general would have mass female immigration if they could, but no society is going to condone that, because Briffault's law and gynonormativity don't allow it.
Botond173
9d ago
I'd point out though that mass female immigration is something that has never happened anywhere, and would never be permitted to happen.
Botond173
9d ago
Is it normal to lock the room in these circumstances though? If this was the case here I'm sure they locked the house, but the bedroom as well? I'm not well-versed in Vietnamese customs so I don't know. Either way, something's fishy about this story. I presume they made some verbal arrangements beforehand and she was planning to share a bedroom with other women. Is it normal for women to lock one of their own out of a bedroom for the night when there's some level of mutual trust there?
I don’t disagree with your point but I suggest some minimal level of nuance should be in order. For example, I recall reading about multiple true crime cases where the disappeared girl’s purse, phone, credit card, favorite clothes etc. were all left behind at the house and yet local police was clinging to their theory for a long time that she ran away which obviously makes little sense.
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