Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
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Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
I'm not even calling for the establishment of a race of Ubermensch, I want everyone raised up to as close to equality as possible
Why?
Seriously, why do you think it should be some sort of teleological objective of mankind to have everyone calibrated to be of equal ability?
Even if these abilities are high, this is still some kind of Harrison Bergeron dystopian shit.
ten thousand generations of savages
That's a little bit... antagonistic. These are the people who built Classical Greece, the Pyramids, the University of Sankore. And even hunter-gatherers had enough civilization to care for their wounded and infirm, as the archaeological evidence of bone healing suggests. "Savages" is kinda harsh.
I strongly suspect that even back in caveman days, couples with genuine affection for each other were looked on with much more respect than couples where the man was literally having to knock his wife over the head and drag her by the hair to get laid.
I strongly suspect that in caveman days "couples" didn't exist, because you lived fast and died young. Seems kind of a waste of time, and deleterious to the tribe's survival chances, to become particularly emotionally attached to a partner who has a ~40% chance of dying in childbirth every 9 months. If the sabre-tooth tigers don't get her in the interim (a big if).
But then I would ask you the same question put to Vox Day: what did you mean? If your wife says "Not tonight, I have a headache," are you claiming that you should literally have the right to say "Tough shit, on your back," backed up by force if necessary?
Well, if you insist on this line of inquiry...
Rape fantasies are the #1 female fantasy, remember. And it turns out that accomodating to your partner's bedroom fantasies - shock! - improves your sex life, who'd'a thunk it?
So, observe my biting down hard on this bullet: yes, I do mean "Tough shit, on your back, by force if necessary", and I can tell you from the practical application of this principal in my own life that it is salutary to a relationship. I don't know whether it's a general principle of female psychology or just a peculiarly of my own girlfriends, but a few seconds of complaining is followed by years of her being smugly happy that her partner finds her attractive enough to be compelled to run roughshod over her consent. Acting like a troglodyte caveman is, it turns out, more attractive to the opposite sex than acting like a Title IX lawyer at a risk-averse university campus.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
I see no reason why she can't be a good prime minister and occasionally go to night clubs or get drunk with Instagram models.
Really? You don't have a prior that someone with this disposition is ipso facto an unserious person and therefore temperamentally unsuited for high office? Because I certainly have that prior.
A few days ago, Marin was officially cleared of any legal wrongdoing by the Finnish government.
Finnish government investigates itself, finds itself innocent. Imagine my shock.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1yr ago
Is the scale impractical? Is the expense impractical?
I'm pretty certain it's this? I get the sense that mass incarceration + deprogramming + filtering out fifth columnists would be about a million times more expensive than just shooting everyone. And also wouldn't work. Western governments at least try to filter their immigrants for "not psycho killers" but lo and behold, you still get machete beheadings and trucks of peace every other month on the streets of London & Paris.
Say what you want about just making political undesirables dig their own trench and then shooting them en masse in the back of the head a'la Katyn, but that is at least affordable.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
That was Big Yud at his most sympathetic?
I dunno, I just can't put myself in that mindset. I think it's probably because I don't really like anyone currently alive very much, so I don't feel "thousands of deaths of sentient people every minute" as a thousand tiny knives stabbing at my soul. People are a renewable resource! Sure, some will die, but, no big loss: basically identical ones will take their place.
...until they don't, because mankind wholesale gets paperclipped. At THAT, I feel Yud's doomer schizo panic.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
I'm a little disappointed that "AI safety" is so strongly associated with Skynet-style scenarios, instead of concerns about (in my view) more plausible near-term AI risks like this (and others - social unrest from sudden mass unemployment, expanding surveillance capabilities, etc).
How ironic, I'm a little disappointed that anyone bothers to waste an iota of intellectual effort on those nothingburger risks when Skynet-like scenarios are potentially bearing down on you.
When the Skynet term in your expectation function has a probability >0 and an expected utility of minus infinity, worrying about the small stuff like "They took our jerbs" is imo a bit dumb.
Plus I can always just... choose not go into the pleasure cube, whereas I can't choose not go into the paperclip nanobot.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
The domino theory was not that A empowers the actor to attempt B. It is it emboldens the actor to attempt B.
This is a textbook motte and bailey.
Perhaps YOU, @Gdanning, are scrupulously consistent in every discussion you've ever had that Domino Theory describes emboldening only, but many/most proponents of the theory are not.
And has the EU interfered in any of this?
Presumably not, but that's because both of these examples are poor ones, in each case coupling a small dose of what globohomo hates with a large dose of what globohomo likes, making it an aggregate win for the globalist homogenisers.
Abort disabled people? This is not globohomo. But look at it from the other side: abort disabled people, and we see that it is in fact smack in line with the no-questions-asked abortifactants on demand that the cosmopolitan class loves.
Encourage single mothers to have blonde blue eyed babies? Bad. Encourage single mothers to have blonde blue eyed babies? Good, smash the patriarchy, children don't need fathers anyway.
How many planes did the Houthis manage to shoot down due to this “failure of OPSEC”? Zero. Therefore, the level of OPSEC that you want them to deploy is evidently unnecessary. OPSEC is not reducing military casualties; all it’s doing is giving “security personnel” a paycheck, and conferring no actual military advantage.
This is OPSEC’s “The emperor has no clothes” moment. All OPSEC’s recommendations were disregarded, and nothing bad happened. This proves that OPSEC is stupid, not that its violators are stupid.
I would also like to point out that anyone who condemns this “security breach” without in the same breath condemning Hillary’s e-mail server is double-standards-ing HARD. It’s OK when Dems do it?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1yr ago
He was in the equivalent of a supermax prison.
...in a country with a smaller economy than Italy's (notorious for losing mafia bosses from supermax). Russia can't afford to secure its jails from determined infiltrators.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
1yr ago
have an internal party vote and then everyone is bound to vote for the winner on the floor of Congress or they get expelled from the party.
I was under the impression that this was a specific trait of Leninist parties, which might contain the answer as to why the US Republicans don't do it.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
Just as plenty of Americans who illegally aided the IRA during the troubles were loyal to the US.
This is oxymoronic. If you violate the policies and laws of the government, you are by definition disloyal.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
This case, if true, is obviously tragic.
It's the "if" that should make it a scissor statement. It is very difficult to prove "medical murder", and therefore reasonable people may disagree on the implications of this case. The feminists could insist that Letby is a victim of a misogynistic society determined to punish women, and doctors / hospital managers are trying to use her as a scapegoat for systemic failures in the healthcare system. While on the other side...
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...ok maybe that's why there's no toxoplasma around this. What bloc is going to be a loud comment section partisan for "Yes she did kill all those babies"? Misogynists who do want to blame women for everything are a boogieman that don't actually exist, so who is there to fill up the Internet for the prosecution?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
Women buy an exceedingly large number of excessively expensive swimsuits. Do you have an explanation why?
Perhaps they know that they live in an attention economy, even as they wish they did not? They think it would be better if they were valued for their opinions and not their curves, but alas, it is not so.
(Also I don't think they're spending their own money on those swimsuits)
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
But who says 'slaughter the innocent, treasure and protect the guilty!'
I can actually defend Neely in the context of your analogy from a right-wing perspective. Bombing Afghan aid workers and not giving a shit but handling Neely with kid gloves is right and proper because he's American and the Afghan aid worker isn't. One of our guys is worth a hundred foreigners, that's the whole point of being a nation with national in-group preference.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
This wasn't intended as antagonism; The Narcissist's Prayer is literally the name of the thing. I am in the same unfortunate situation as the residents of Fucking: in that the name itself carries unfortunate connotations.
If there's a more plain-spraking way of denoting the concept I am happy to switch...?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
How would you know, before you get arranged-married at 16 (this ALSO being the Chestertonian wisdom-of-the-ancestors advice)?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
Ya i see no reason why foreign nationals should be limited in their discussion of US politics.
The problem with taking this stance is that you arrive at the conclusion that a Macedonian troll farm spamming pro-Trump propaganda and funded by the Russian state then becomes this is fine. They're just foreigners discussing American politics, why would anyone complain?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
Adding my vote (haha!) to this one. Women are just more susceptible to propaganda in general, and this includes "YoUr VoTe MaTtErS!" propaganda.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
but really, at some point, you'd imagine sheer morale questions would make it hard for Russians to proceed
The Russian army managed to proceed westwards under literally Stalin, so I don't really think you can characterise the Russian infantryman as a creature with great susceptibility to morale damage. Lose: concentration camp. Win: gulag!
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
The occupations of Germany and Japan went well
By what metrics?
Certain people are always lecturing me that "the only reason the west is rich is because of all that silver that Spain expropriated from Bolivia"; if we accept that profitable resource extraction / trade windfalls was both the objective and a successful objective of colonial occupations, where's my silver dollars made out of Axis bullion?
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
Neither is the average grad student, or Indian call center employee, they just mindlessly regurgitate whatever is fed to them by their professors/supervisors.
Yes, but this is an argument for morally valuing useless demographics less, not for morally valuing babies more.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
Given that Britains war aims were essentially to keep the continent pretty much as it was before the war and preserve the balance of power in Europe
"We want Austria-Hungary to keep oppressing everyone because the status quo is profitable to our top-hat class" is not exactly my definition of Just War.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
2yr ago
(remember that the military, the police, small-town local elites, organised religion and Fox News are all objectively part of the establishment)
This can't be a general rule - look how often establishments get military coup'd in Africa. Do you mean specifically in America 2023?
I've been to enough rodeos where my prejudices were thoroughly vindicated that I'm going for "Zero, my priors are great, judge purely from them".
We're a discussion forum, not a court of law. themotte.org has no standards of evidence, and that's fine.
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