EdenicFaithful
Dark Wizard of Ravenclaw
No bio...
User ID: 78
Mostly unconscious questionable impulses, would be more accurate for the people you describe. I think we all have a part of us that is capable of this, but I don't yet have any systematic thoughts on how those impulses take over, nor in what situations they can clearly be described as evil.
If you read school shooter manifestos or journals, you'll see a lot of parallels. This is the main basis for why I suggest that you don't dismiss these claims so easily. Something about the claim that "life is not worth living" is a recurring feature that I've noticed, or think that I've noticed.
I suspect that there is an underlying philosophy of evil which some aspect of the mind is prone towards believing in, perhaps because of the specific way in which that part of the mind works (ie. it may be an accidental but high-probability outcome) and in certain (as yet unknown to me) situations it takes over.
The problem is that the causality could go both ways. If you ask why someone doesn't want responsibility, the answer might be that some part of their mind is resentful towards the world.
It isn't necessarily a question of how cruel the world actually is. It might be a question of how much sway such tendencies hold over a person.
Personally, I think that "I didn't do X because life is evil" sounds an awful lot like saying the quiet part out loud, and stems from something deep and as yet poorly understood inside of the human mind.
So, what are you reading?
I'm still on Sayers' Whose Body? Also reading Abelson's The Seven Liberal Arts after rereading Sayers' essay The Lost Tools of Learning.
I agree, except that if you start with the assumption that one doesn't yet know what the capabilities of AI are, then one rationally ought to keep space for skepticism of doomsday scenarios.
But you're right, and I don't assume that trouble isn't coming; I just saw the obvious other explanation for the talk of vulnerability-finding AI and determined based on how people were behaving that hype was the more likely explanation, this time. And I think that fear is primarily driven by the materialism of our times.
After all, when people talk about artificial intelligence replacing humans, the unstated premise is that humans are really just computers or not much better. See how easily they can do what humans can do? Haven't they passed the Turing Test?
Obviously, this is an attempt at mind reading, but I think it is a better explanation than marketing. As a marketing strategy, intentionally making promises that will obviously be falsified and talked about widely when the product is released seems silly.
I thought all the talk about software vulnerabilities would peter out for now, but I don't think that marketing is the only explanation.
Materialists are making the logically consistent assumption that if humans are computers, then AI is guaranteed to surpass our capabilities in every respect. So they predict a future which may not be real if materialism isn't real, and are hallucinating that such a future has arrived out of a cycle of fear and a desire to get ahead of it.
Strictly speaking, just because one hyped-up thing failed to hit the mark, it doesn't mean that it isn't coming, especially given the pace of developments. But Charlie Kirk said it right: AI is destined to throw our assumptions into chaos one way or another, and I, for one, am curious to see exactly what gets discredited as our knowledge and actual experience is forced to increase. Though it would be nice if we had a better understanding of things before we're forced to learn it inadvertently.
So, what are you reading?
I'm finally done with Christie's And Then There Were None. Didn't have much preamble, it just goes straight into it. Seems like a book written to an audience already very familiar with her work. It was enjoyable enough, and the characters worked. I've more or less given up on the desire to figure out who the killer is beforehand in these kinds of books, and I find that it is pleasant to read them like that. I'm afraid that the only other thing which I can say is that my favourite character died.
Going to give another stab at Sayers' Whose Body?
So, what are you reading?
I've finished The Handmaid's Tale. It's a book I'll have to read again sometime, since there's clearly a lot which I haven't noticed. Can't say it ever came together for me, but maybe that's because I didn't really understand its thrust. The tone throughout was sterile, which was probably intentional, given the motifs of waiting and idleness. The world itself never made a convincing dystopia; it was way too lax in just about everything, and the sense of fear of reprisals or of other people never became more than a literary suggestion. The writing was quite good.
It proved as curious as Atwood, who has not been a predictable simpleton when it comes to politics. On the one hand, it could be read as a screed against the religious right, but the picture is always muddled by something, like the quoting of the communist from each according to his ability. The last chapter muddies the picture even further, making us wonder to what extent this is to be taken as history or myth. As a myth, it may be something of value, something worth a closer look. As a history, it is laced with what seems like old arguments among old activists which seems to limp on eternally, even up to paranoia over viruses.
Going to try some Agatha Christie next, which perennialy seems to be collecting dust on my shelf.
LLMs have obviously poked some holes in the old argument that intelligence makes us separate from the soulless animals, but ambiguities abound.
For one thing, has the Turing Test really been passed? I haven't used LLMs, so I don't know how they respond to this, but if I simply repeated a question 1000 times would I not know the difference between man and machine? You can probably add in enough deceptions to partially hide from this, but that remains what they are: deceptions. If the machine is conscious, is it aware that it is deceiving me about itself? Or is it actually the human who it pretends to be?
For another, what would happen if an LLM was trained on the complete Library of Babel?
AI is good cause to reevaluate the classical arguments, but people still need to engage with them before any useful shift will happen.
Personally, the ambiguity of the relationship between consciousness and intelligence seems striking to me. On the one hand, we have to admit that at least some significant parts of intelligence can be performed by machines, although it remains possible that the mind and an LLM work very differently to achieve similar outputs.
But on the other hand, there is the curious question of how it is that consciousness is even compatible with thought, if it has no relationship to the thought process. To repurpose Nagel's famous formulation, why is it that there is something that it is like to contemplate a math problem? I'm not entirely willing to abandon the argument that humans have some native form of intelligence that requires a pre-existing consciousness, a form which a mechanism cannot reproduce.
Unfalsifiable philosophical constructs and arbitrary opinion
I could say the same of the theory of emergence, that "somehow" if I throw together enough moving parts consciousness would "evolve," and this in a world that is assumed by scientific fiat to be purely materialistic, ie. inherently without consciousness! We could throw epithets at each other until the sun dies.
IMO, no-one currently has a monopoly on good sense in this matter, and it is best to let people have the conversation which they seem to need to have.
So, what are you reading?
I'm getting interested in Ellul. Also about halfway through The Handmaid's Tale. Can't say it has really moved me yet one way or the other, but it seems to be moving towards something. It vaguely occurs to me that some of the undertone of resentment might be intended for readers like myself, but I can't quite figure out what precisely it is angry about yet. Hopefully it will be something that I can use.
So, what are you reading?
I'm trying to finish Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale. This time around it is resonating, perhaps because the abstract desire for freedom is on my mind.
I want to slightly push back on the anti-Scientology thread below by sharing a basic method of thinking which I derived while reading Hubbard's books, specifically The Way to Happiness. It isn't strictly Scientology as far as I know, just something that I thought of.
In Scientology, there's an idea of exteriorization. The simplest description that I know is "Be 3 feet back of your head." Basically, people are too close to their own problems. If one could see one's body from the outside, one would be able to see himself more clearly and then handle his problems. To quote Hubbard in that book: "It sometimes does not occur to some individuals- as they do not have to spend their days looking at themselves- that they form part of the scenery and appearance of others."
The technique is simple enough that it has probably been talked about or used in other settings, but I've found that it works and I have Hubbard to thank for it.
The Technique
Imagine another person. Give that person some single trait, like a hair colour, to make imagining him or her easier. Put that person in a similar situation to the one you want to think about. Then ask yourself what you think that person should do, or how he should think about it.
I've found that it has a high workability in all kinds of situations involving action, including when I can't stop myself from doing something. It works for planning for the future, or for things like thinking through what you want to say to someone else, or are wondering what you should have done in a past incident, etc.
For example, if you can't stop eating potato chips, give yourself this prompt: There is another person. He has red hair. He has been eating potato chips for the past few hours and can't stop. How should he think about this, or what should he do?
Usually, I think through the issue with clarity, and the behaviour stops, at least for now.
(I am not a Scientologist, or at least have never been audited and probably never will be.)
So, what are you reading?
I'm rereading Yizhar's Khirbet Khizeh. When I read it for the first time, I felt that it wasn't the kind of book which I would trust to be honest if it were written about my country. Still, as far as national literature goes, it's a minor gem in terms of writing quality.
So, what are you reading?
I'm retrying Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind, among other things.
The neocons that I've been reading or occasionally checking have had mixed opinions from the start. See The Bulwark, The Dispatch, and most importantly, The National Interest. Jewish right publications like Tablet have been supportive, but see for example this podcast about the nuanced ways the Israelites might think about this.
Overall I get the impression that the pro-Israel crowd would have preferred for Trump to intervene earlier, and, yes, would probably like him to stay in longer now that it has started. But it isn't an across-the-board thing. It never was.
I even wonder if it wasn't Israel who tried to get the jump on the US to ensure that Israel had some control over the course of the fighting, and not the other way around per Rubio. I have doubts that Israel was truly the trigger, or the only trigger for the US intervention. News has been trickling out about possible Gulf state support.
So, what are you reading?
I'm reattempting Burnham's The Machiavellians. Feeling a need to revisit the roots of neoconservative thought.
So, what are you reading?
I'm adding Voegelin's A New Science of Politics to my list.
So, what are you reading?
I'm picking up al-Gharbi's We Have Never Been Woke. It's more scholarly and less popular than expected. The title apparently means that for all the woke signalling being done, actual wokeness is more about appearances and ambition than anything.
I have an as-yet unexplained fondness for Demolition Man.
If it counts, The Street Fighter (1974) was a rather dark masterpiece. Do not watch for entertainment.
I'm not 100% convinced that Israel wanted this particular approach, although my only evidence is that neocons have been sending mixed signals.
It could just be that they're still in "Get Trump" mode, but maybe they wanted Trump to do something else than what he actually did?
Does anyone have any interesting articles which point the finger somewhere else? The Gulf states, maybe?
So, what are you reading?
I'm going through Conrad's Lord Jim. Backlog not moving.
So, what are you reading?
Almost finished Al-Ghazali's Book of Contemplation and trying to go through his Censure of Wealth and Miserliness. Still on Macpherson and others.
Strategy-wise, don't expect anything too impressive.
LoGH runs on the strength of its (many) characters, the variety of its situations, its sometimes impressive handling of serious topics, the fairly well-developed political and social standpoints of the two main protagonists, and the remarkably high quality of the dialogue. And of course, the unforgettable Yang Wen-li.
(I'm talking about the original anime. The remake is quite good, but not as good.)
So, what are you reading?
I'm still on Macpherson's Possessive Individualism and the rest of the backlog. Slow progress. Also reading Legend of the Galactic Heroes again.
- Prev
- Next

So, what are you reading?
I'm finished with Sayers' Whose Body. Lord Whimsey was great, and it had enough intensity at times to grab my interest. I feel like the confrontation was a missed opportunity, given the convergence of themes which was implicit in the scene. A good read nevertheless.
Picking up Churchill's Savrola, because it has occurred to me that I've read more Hitler and Stalin than Churchill.
More options
Context Copy link