FearandLoathingintheMotte
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FearandLoathingintheMotte
30d ago
Wait that actually sounds cool, how is that?
I'm a big paradox enjoyer but I've never dabbled in HOI4
FearandLoathingintheMotte
30d ago
>Some Brahmin whose family had literal slaves in India and was driven to private school in a Rolls lumping himself in with impoverished lead-poisoned African-Americans in Flint, MI as part of the BIPOC struggle.
>"You and I are the same because a teenager once told me my lunch smelled weird."
FearandLoathingintheMotte
30d ago
"neighborhood character"
This doesn't mean anything, it's a proxy for:
"I hate change, but cannot say this as it's an unsympathetic argument"
"I dislike there may be marginally more traffic near me, or it'll take slightly longer to get a parking spot, but cannot say this as it makes me sound selfish"
"I am concerned that people with less money than my current neighbors may move here" (this is a really common YIMBY boogeyman but I actually doubt this one is common)
"I really fucking hate change"
FearandLoathingintheMotte
30d ago
Solve that riddle in your "lets just give everyone as much as they need" moral system.
My read of "WandererintheWilderness" was their moral system was more "lets just give everyone as much as we can" and not "as much as they need".
The limit of a reasonable "we can" is definitely very different to different people, and I doubt you and "WandererintheWilderness" would agree there. But nothing "WandererintheWilderness" said implied that the goal was to give them "everything they could ever need or want" because that is quite literally infinite.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
30d ago
This is a really heartfelt and genuine post, thank you for sharing it.
I largely align with what WandererintheWilderness has been saying on a high level, but I am going to be thinking about this post for the rest of my evening. You have made some excellent points. I'm a bit younger than you, and am experiencing many of the same struggles.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Phenomenal post
Great and balanced takes, and excellent synthesis of the discussion so far.
This is, in my opinion, the penultimate output of this conversation, and pretty much everything said after it is shit-flinging
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
It's good content transcript just too long
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Looks like it's time for the left to dump maximally unkind, inflammatory breadtuber video transcripts at the culture war root level
This is pretty annoying, I found some points the video made interesting, but I should never have to read something like:
"And then I got fuckin' the vice president of the country I live in going on fuckin' news and saying"
The benefit of text is it can be edited for brevity, and transcripts are almost always the opposite.
all the original stale points are back, and no, the OP didn't bother to adress any of them
I don't think I have the attention span for this, but I am very tempted to make a FAQ/"frequent arguments and their responses" for this topic. Maybe I can slop one together with chatGPT. It would be cool to have it all laid out.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Apart from the complete inability to politically maintain this situation, it's a good plan.
Sentences like this crack me up
"If you look passed the issues that make this plan fundamentally impossible to work, it would work so good"
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
If he shoots we get fewer Goods obstructing ICE
You might be right, but this is a massive assumption.
There's a world where she becomes a martyr and people rally around her image to protest ICE even harder in response.
I'm not sure what world we're in, but the outcomes of such things is not that easy to guess off rip.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Against my initial, wiser judgment, I have found myself invested in this ridiculous case
If it's any consolation, you've had the best takes on it of anyone on this site by far
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
trigger happy Iceman meets wine mom in Minneapolis
If this forum starts doing separate mega threads for high-levels-of-discussion events, you should be in charge of naming them
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
more or less abusing a loophole in the rules of the site
What's the loophole? If common knowledge, why don't you think it's closed?
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
> calls the ICE altercation an "assassination"
> doesn't like when lesbians call eachother "wife"
I'm very curious to see where you fall on the political compass
Yeah it marginally lowers my sympathy for her knowing she was being an active disturbance
Her death is a tragedy but also she gets a Darwin award.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Yeah I don't really have a dog in this fight
I think the high level goal of ICE is justified, I think it's execution is deliberately inflammatory and thus stupid.
I dislike the fact that people are fucking with ICE such that situations arise where citizens get shot, which is a tragedy.
I also have some sympathy for those getting baited into protesting ICE, as I believe ICE has been designed to create flashpoints such as this. So they're taking the bait, which I personally would not, but I see why they do.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
She was barricading the road with her car
Given a car literally drives right passed her, this clearly wasn't going very effectively
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
I actually agree with you that getting intentionally double tapped by a car is a pretty serious threat to your life and health
I thought the mental image of my comment was amusing
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Right Wingers who aren't even under any clear criminal investigation frequently get debanked by Paypal and whatnot just off vibes
This is terrible and should not happen either
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Pre-coffee brain, I genuinely just wasn't parsing the thesis here
Absolutely not ok, and yes our civilization is pretty obviously in decline.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
I crave an America where every fender bender results in a fire fight.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
This is the result of policy that is designed to both accomplish something, and be maximally inflammatory to own the libs.
The way ICE has been set up, and communicated, which I will refer to as "the policy" as a shorthand, is a bad (or suboptimal) policy for enforcing immigration.
If you want to accomplish a policy goal, and your chosen avenue to do this causes roughly 50% of your population to hate it, and a smaller subset of that 50% to actively interfere, and for local politicians of areas dominated by that 50% to get popular support by opposing the policy, it's a stupid fucking policy. I'm not against ICE or its goals, but having local mayors and PDs refuse to help means you now cannot enforce immigration as effectively.
You can enforce immigration, you can own the libs, you cannot do both at once as effectively as focusing on one.
A well designed policy (or software system, or basically anything designed) has to take into account the way the average person will interact with it. It doesn't matter if your solution is theoretically the best solution in the world if it starts going sideways when it starts interacting with the world.
Another way of looking at this, if Spock and the Vulcans were designing ICE to maximize the number of immigrants removed from America, they wouldn't have made ICE so emotionally charged (it still would have become emotionally charged, but they'd do everything they could to mitigate that, instead of inflame it).
This is the chickens of bad policy coming home to roost. If you don't want this to happen in blue cities, design better.
If you want an example of genuis policy in a similar vein, bussing migrants to NYC a few years ago was a masterstroke. Lowered support for immigration AND owned the libs, it was deeply impressive.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
If someone is driving a car towards you, and you shoot them, how does that stop the car? Especially at point blank range. It just means you both get fucked up.
The best way to not get hit by cars is to not walk into places that their nose is or could be pointing at.
FearandLoathingintheMotte
1mo ago
Maybe he should stop standing in front of cars? He of all people should understand this
What's happening? Or I guess as that's pretty obvious, what is this doing to the user base and how are moderators/the sites dealing with it?
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