Fruck
Lacks all conviction
Fruck is just this guy, you know?
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Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
I no longer believe in cross-ideological discussion. I no longer believe in good faith, or shared values in disagreement, or the merits of discourse.
That's a dumb thing to say bud, especially if you are going to follow through with it. Always be willing to engage, always be willing for dialogue. If someone starts talking about something you don't want to talk about, you be as nice as you can as you stumble over basic definitions or gish gallop by condescendingly explaining some pedantic mistake that has zero bearing on the issue at hand. Do it well enough and you can tie your enemies up in useless conversations for ages.
But the Motte won't, because the Motte doesn't value the truth that highly, but rather values endless self justifying discussion for its own sake.
This is totally on point however, figuring this out is how I stopped getting banned all the time.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
I don't think you need to go back to the drawing board, I'd say you have nailed the prerequisite prosocial emotion of an honour culture and it necessarily works differently in a shame culture, where shame takes the top spot. It doesn't fully align, but honour cultures tend to privilege internal locus of control, while shame cultures privilege external locus of control.
Fruck
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5mo ago
To the extent it's lame, it's only lame because progressives insist it's lame, nor do they have a counter for it beyond "it isn't the same... because it just isn't, okay?!" and just-so explanations. A related example would be "one joke."
I have felt a bit "yeah yeah, same old hypocrisy as always" when encountering one of these situations in the past, but a) I agree that the complete neutering of it as a meme feels astroturfed, in the sense that I question the loyalties of those who are most vocally opposed to it and b) I have come to the conclusion that if I have to notice this shit, so does everyone else.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
If you have a caveat for happiness that relies on a vast restructuring of society to punish people who are inferior to you then you have zero chance at happiness. Every child should learn that pinning your happiness on an external force punishing others is a fool's game anyway. You might as well say I'd be happy if all of my enemies died at my hands and their women submitted willingly to me. That's all it would take?
What's more, your obsession with race puts the lie to your belief in meritocracy. You wouldn't mind 1% 'Asian' if the 99% whites were 200 iq ubermensch? That is the same position as the one you are mocking - nobody has an issue with the idea of being ruled over by a pack of certified geniuses, they just don't believe the civilisation that is currently gooning it's way into extinction/the civilisation that couldn't figure out toilets in 2000 years is that. They think, quite rightly, that no matter how selfless and high minded anyone claims to be they will promote their in group first - and if that in group is defined ethnically meritocracy will be supplanted by racial spoils. Meritocracy by necessity requires a lack of curiosity about iq distribution, at least until it is managed by our ai overlords, because humans are not to be trusted.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
Not this again, this whole furore over man the hunter is so fucked. Here is my recreation of a conversation I had with my SIL on the subject:
"Why does anyone give a shit if men hunted more than women or vice versa?"
"Well because hunting implies agency and strength and therefore prestige! Which is more admirable - keeping the village fed and safe by killing dangerous creatures or keeping the village fed and safe by gathering crops and keeping people clothed and healthy?"
"You already know my answer."
"Both are valuable, but you only value hunting more because of your patriarchal ideals! Gathering is just as valuable!"
"No, I value truth and if gathering was just as valuable as hunting it would have been deemed just as valuable as hunting in matriarchal societies, which doesn't seem to be the case. And it seems by your own admission that hunting is more valuable than gathering, if it wasn't you wouldn't care who did what except out of curiosity and you would feel as confused about all of this as I do."
"But how much of that is our own internalisation of patriarchal concepts? Besides if you think about it, hunting isn't just stabbing tigers with spears, it also includes trapping rabbits and sharpshooting quail and fishing and if you include that kind of hunting women did plenty of it, so women were hunters too!"
"Ok yeah, I guess women did lots of hunting if you redefine hunting. Wouldn't it be easier to just not value hunting more?"
"That's easy for you to say, you're a man."
thinking "If I were luckier a meteor would drop from the sky right now and wipe life off the planet."
Fruck
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5mo ago
That's the throat clearing that most confused me. I don't really understand why someone who would write the story he wrote would include one of those in the first place. The acknowledgement would put off people who would appreciate the attention to historical accuracy and the people who would appreciate the acknowledgement would be put off by the accuracy. Maybe he wrote it for some class and his teacher insisted on it?
Fruck
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5mo ago
Can you unban him for 24 hours so I can ask him where he draws the line between 'whole narratives are engineered from the ground up as weapons and should be ignored with extreme prejudice' and Arthur Chu mindkilling himself on a regular basis? Because they are definitely on the same continuum but I'll just look like an asshole asking him now he's banned.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
Did I ever tell you guys about the cool short story I read while on holiday that I really can't imagine talking about with anyone outside the motte - Blackbirded?
I'll say up front that I've worked and chatted with the author Joab before, but I'd be telling you about it even if I hadn't, mostly because I'm super gay for the fanfic aspects of it, but also because it's a fun read.
Its set in 19th century Queensland and it deals with Australia's own equivalent to the slave trade (and yes it's weird Australians want an equivalent to the slave trade but I don't think I can say anything else worthwhile about that), following a group of bounty hunters tracking a runaway, but ending up being hunted themselves. It's also fanfic for a popular sci-fi movie series starring the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Carl Weathers, JCVD and Danny Glover, and you can tell Joab is maybe even more into it than I am.
He also seems to have a conflicted view of the racial dynamics of the time, which is why I can't imagine talking about the story with any of my normie friends. The characters behave the way they would have back then and he seems to deliberately subvert the standard modern take of whitey bad blackie good, but there is also a lot of throat clearing - far too much imo, but based on past experiences I have learned that my far too much is usually not nearly enough for most people, so I'd be interested to know what you think. It's not a long read either, I busted it out over a couple of smokes.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
And the scene when Artax gets stuck in quicksand, which utterly destroyed me and my brother as kids.
Fruck
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5mo ago
You can? How? My hope is that everyone I know is healthy and I'm not just oblivious.
Fruck
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5mo ago
Bud this is just weak as hell. 3 reddit posts? You know the bible is the most discussed book in existence right? You can find people talking about it from just about any angle. Saul didn't just usurp Jesus, he did it deliberately as one of the world's first secret agents, working on behalf of his Roman masters to quell the imminent Jewish uprising by introducing passive and peaceful elements. Or maybe he wasn't a secret agent, he was just a dumb loser who got tricked by the Romans into usurping James - Jesus's brother and the true head of the church.
But frankly the whole idea is just straight boring compared to some of the other bizarre ideas put forth by people over the years. Watch out for albino monks, because Saul didn't do shit, Jesus usurped the whole religion away from his wife, the holy prostitute Mary Magdalene, and stripped it of all that sex stuff because like most men he hated sex.
Just kidding, what actually happened was Jesus was actually basically days away from setting off a cascade that would quickly enslave humanity for all eternity to a collection of cosmic horrors, if only it wasn't for humanity's greatest hero ever - Judas. Nah actually Jesus secretly tricked Judas into betraying him, something Judas would never have done if not for Jesus's knowledge of neuro linguistic programming.
Because you see, Jesus was clearly an alien all along. No wait, he was a time traveller. Or whatever the equivalent of a stage magician was 2000 years ago, he faked his death entirely and spent his last days in some villa overlooking Lake Albany. Or maybe it was France. Or Ireland. Or Tennessee. Or Mexico.
I know, I know, still too fricking boring! Jesus was actually Horus the sun and his disciples were stars! That's why he's born on the summer solstice (descending to earth as the star of Bethlehem) and dies on the winter solstice (taking three days to simulate the way the sun appears to stand still during the equinox then reverse course).
Or maybe he was just a plaything of the stars and everyone's crazy cat lady aunt was right the whole time about horoscopes. After all, are we just supposed to believe it's a coincidence he has 12 disciples and there are 12 signs in the zodiac? And that it is just a crazy fluke that 2000 odd years ago marked the end of the age of Aries and the beginning of the age of Pisces and also Jesus is associated with fish (the ichthys, feeding the five thousand, James' occupation etc) while the Jews are associated with sheep (passover, Abraham etc)?
Yawn though, am I right? Horoscopes? Stars? Everyone knows Jesus was a motherfucking mushroom! Jesus Christ is actually Sumerian for amanita muscaria, if you ignore things like how words work and the fact you can't find that mushroom anywhere in the middle east! And you know the cross? Doesn't it kind of look like a mushroom if you only see it in your peripheral vision? How is that not proof the whole religion is secretly about tripping balls?
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
For sure. I bet he couldn't even feel the pain of suffocating to death under his own weight due to the warm feeling of satisfaction he got from a legacy he didn't have any inclination of at the time.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
Aha, now that you say that I realise I should have guessed it would open up after the campaign. Alright, I'm giving it another shot.
I feel that in spaces like the motte this idea is taken so much for granted that it doesn't get the proper pushback it deserves.
Deserves for what reason? You don't appear to have given this matter much thought considering the only thing you say with confidence is that it doesn't seem likely you can get the majority of the world to view Christianity through the lens of the enlightenment. (I agree, but it is a good stepping stone to the actual Truth.) It's not that you know we're wrong and Christianity isn't a pro-social meme, you don't. It might be parasitic, you don't know. Well good news! I do know, it's pro-social. There is shit loads of evidence demonstrating this. By design however, none of it will appeal to the myopic materialist worldview.
If you figure out where you stand and want to make some arguments supporting your position I'd be happy to argue. I have strong confidence that we will reach a stalemate because we have fundamentally different approaches to the world, but I and the other Christians here can give you a lot to think about. But you need to make the arguments first.
Tldr: meta-meta-contrarianism is passe, the new hotness is meta-meta-sincerity.
Edit: damn you auto-correct
Fruck
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5mo ago
I don't really understand the appeal. Partly because I can't imagine devs putting a lot of effort into making 50 good games and then fucking them over by jamming them all in together (clubhouse games stumbled into success and didn't develop any of the games itself). And partly because like @SomethingMusic I am put off by the aesthetic of the early games.
That said, I was tempted to get it when my friend told me Vainger was 'vvvvvv if it was made for the mega drive', vvvvvv was so good.
Fruck
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5mo ago
Same, galaxy is my second favourite, followed by 3d world, that game has a surprising amount of depth. The physics of sunshine were also heaps of fun to play with, although it is a way too frustrating game to start.
Fruck
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5mo ago
I never got past the third level of Mario Odyssey. It wasn't bad, I just couldn't see what made everyone I know rave about it so much. Does it open up or something? For the record my favourite is 64, probably due to my age.
Fruck
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5mo ago
Opposition to immigration on the basis of talent distribution is in no way indifference, indifference would be opposing immigration because fuck em.
Fruck
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5mo ago
It's not actually that easy to slaughter dozens of people believe me.
Jokes aside it does seem unlikely to me it was some kind of long con too, but the number killed isn't necessarily an indication of their intentions as multiple spree killers have demonstrated, and while a ten year plan indicates a lot more strategy than say William Atchison, we make a plan and God laughs.
Fruck
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5mo ago
I feel compelled to point out that this is evidence Christianity is correct.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
The ban is justified. No argument there. This though -
You're just a shitty, low-effort poster who contributes nothing of value. I can't honestly remember you ever posting anything interesting, insightful, or getting even a single AAQC nomination, or really, anything that wasn't... stuff like this, although usually not as bad, hence your longevity here despite being a constant low-level stink and not much more.
This is a stupid thing to say and unworthy of someone here to enforce and demonstrate correct behaviour. I'd say you went way overboard, although if this is the new level of discourse around here I would be happy to say more.
Fruck
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5mo ago
o3 will probably still be stumbling over "how many 'rs' in strawberrry"
On the side, I reckon this is a perfectly reasonable thing for llms to stumble over. If someone walked up and asked me "How do you speak English?" I'd be flummoxed too.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
Yeah that only works for a limited population, it's too slow to handle the volume buses get in new york.
If you have a bunch of legitimate businesses that need it you would be ok, but you also probably aren't suicide bombing anyone. If you just stagger your purchases you are just extending your lead time on the cops - you won't get picked up in the "let's check out everyone who bought massive quantities of fertiliser at once" sweep, but you will get picked up in the "let's check out everyone who bought massive quantities of fertiliser period" sweep.
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