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Another bodycam video I wish I hadn't watched. I can still hear him drunkenly begging the police not to shoot him. For the life of me, I cannot fathom why they didn't just tell him to lie face down and put his hands on his head.
I got into an argument this morning with some woke gobshite who insists there's nothing to see here and is more concerned about a hypothetical far-right backlash against the UK's Sikh community than he is about Henry Nowak and for the love of God will that one Norm Macdonald clip ever stop being relevant.
I made the mistake of watching the bodycam footage yesterday. Just reading about this case made me feel angry and upset enough. Watching the bodycam footage was ten times worse.
The murderer smugly claiming to have been assaulted, pointing to a non-existent bruise on his eyelid as evidence. With his last few breaths, Nowak begging the police for help and insisting that he's been stabbed, only to be calmly told by them that he hasn't been. The police officers' inexplicable insistence on cuffing him in spite of the fact that, even if he hadn't been stabbed, he was clearly incapacitated and posing no active threat. One of the police officers calmly instructing his colleague to get the Digwa family's details, apparently not even considering the possibility that one of them might have stabbed Nowak and that perhaps they ought to be arrested.
I don't know how anyone can look at this case and claim in all seriousness that the UK doesn't have a two-tier justice system.
This specific claim appears to be the product of Chinese whispers; Millennial Woes's exhaustive account of the entire incident can find no evidence for it.
My boy out here smashing and dashing.
Yes, I learned that after making the original post and edited it to mention it at the very end.
Are you just denying that "cyberbullying" exists as a concept? Threatening to kill someone (even in jest) is unacceptable if done in person, but magically becomes okay as long as you do it over the phone?
I do not want to live in a world primarily optimised for the health and purity of children.
I still think you're constructing a strawman to make me sound ridiculous. I'm not demanding that our entire culture be systematically overhauled, root and branch, to optimise for the health and purity of children. I simply think a) for variety of reasons (including but not limited to premature sexualisation, grooming and body image issues) smartphones and social media are really bad for children and teenagers, and parents should not buy smartphones for their children; and b) it's weird that Western societies collectively think that child labour is bad, except child labour in the entertainment industries.
There. That's it. That's the extent of my opinion. Anything beyond that is you knowingly putting words in my mouth.
Agreed. The fact that he repeatedly cheated on his wife is scummy enough, without needing to imply he also did something illegal.
Young girls talk to older girls, older girls tease them for being ignorant and drip-feed knowledge of the adult world. That’s why lots of women recall being terrified of menarche, because older girls think it’s funny to torment them. The boys in my all-boys school were making pussy jokes at 10, not because they understood them but because that’s what the older boys did.
None of these seem remotely similar to the specific example I gave of eight-year-olds requesting skincare products for Christmas.
Are you saying that competition for looksmaxxing is harmful because stressful, and the earlier it begins the worse it is? Is it a spiritual commitment to defend the innocence of childhood, and is that for both boys and girls or just girls?
Both, and that social media facilitates child grooming and sexual exploitation, and may induce assorted mental health difficulties such as depression, anxiety and body dysmorphia, and facilitate bullying. You know, all of the things I've already expounded on in this thread at great length.
How major? And are we talking about a generalised effect over the whole cohort specifically in that time, or specifically worsening of the most anxious 1% from quite suicidal to very suicidal, or what?
The graph I was citing came from this study from Jean Twenge:
Many of these indicators [of poor mental health] have increased considerably: self‐poisonings among 10‐ to 12‐year‐old girls quadrupled (14); hospital admissions for self‐harm tripled among 10‐ to 14‐year‐old girls (12); major depressive episode among 12‐ to 17‐year‐old girls increased 52%, from 13.1% in 2005 to 19.9% in 2017 (11); emergency room visits for suicidal ideation and attempts nearly doubled among children and adolescents (15); and suicide among 10‐ to 14‐year‐old girls doubled (16)... Similar increases in mental health issues have also appeared among adolescents in the United Kingdom and Canada (Haidt and Twenge, 2019, unpublished). With such similar trends across many measures and sources, an overwhelming amount of evidence indicates that adolescent mental health has deteriorated since 2010.
New Year's resolution check-in:
- Went to the gym three times last week, just cardio. Planning to go this evening. Can deadlift 1.84x my bodyweight for 3 reps, squat 1.22x for 8 reps and bench press .87x for 6 reps.
- Have not consumed any pornography since waking up on January 1st.
How goes it @self_made_human, @thejdizzler, @birb_cromble, @ThomasdelVasto and @falling-star?
My mother went to an all-girl's school and they discussed this kind of thing constantly.
At the age of eight?
I don't think it's healthy for society to obsess over protecting the purity of women or the spread of images of women
I'm not obsessing over protecting the purity of women. Women are adults, and can do as they please. (I in fact get very annoyed at the infantilisation of adults, such as women who accuse men of having "groomed" them when the women in question were already old enough to drink.) I am, however, very invested in protecting the purity of girls, especially young girls. That's kind of the whole point of this discussion.
playground bullying is worse than cyberbullying
Some and some. Past generations of teenagers did not have to contend with embarrassing footage of them being uploaded to YouTube etc. for the entire world to see without their knowledge or consent, or their nudes leaked. Playground bullying by definition ends outside the playground: the current generation of bullies can torment their victims morning, noon and night, even after they've changed schools if it pleases them.
I don't think it's the phones, although the phones don't help, I think it's the pressure and the constantly raised standards, which is mostly downstream of globalisation.
Well, I don't agree with you. Indeed, I'm not even persuaded that teenagers face higher pressure to succeed than they used to, if the proportion of obese teenagers and Harvard undergraduates taking remedial maths classes is anything to go by.
I believe that heavy social media use is extremely damaging for everyone, but particularly for young children and adolescents. Some of the reasons social media is bad for teenagers and pre-teens include the fact that it facilitates child grooming, how it tacitly encourages members of this demographic to dress and behave in sexually provocative ways and how it encourages members of this generation to obsess over their appearances in unhealthy ways. Before TikTok, did you ever hear of an eight-year-old being asked what she wanted for Christmas and her replying "skincare"? No eight-year-old should want skincare products for Christmas, and it's obscene that social media has made her think she needs them.
If you are concerned about the existence of people who might watch these videos and think unsavoury thoughts, thus defiling innocents with their nasty brain-waves, then that sounds like a classic moral panic. The haunting fear that somewhere a nonce is happy.
This is an extremely obnoxious misrepresentation of what I said. Children are not being magically defiled by the nasty brain-waves of pederasts thinking impure thoughts about them. I explained quite clearly that a major component of the audience for tweens dancing on TikTok is nonces; that tween girls (like everyone else) respond to social media incentives and engagement metrics; and that in attempting to attract as many nonces' eyeballs as possible, these tween girls end up dressing and behaving in more sexually provocative fashions than they otherwise would have. Sexualisation of children is bad, and to the extent that social media incentivises (or algorithmically encourages, or whatever term you prefer) children to dress and behave in sexually provocative fashions prematurely, social media is bad.
There is no point troubling yourself (or everyone else) over such things, it’s almost certainly healthier overall than the alternative.
I do not believe that our world, in which most teenagers in the West own smartphones and use social media, is healthier overall than the counterfactual world in which most teenagers do not own smartphones and use social media. As I recently pointed out, the year 2014 (the year the iPhone achieved market penetration with a critical mass of American users) was the beginning of an enormous spike in teen suicide, self-poisoning, diagnoses of depression (and, less politically correctly, corresponding spikes in gender dysphoria and trans identification, and probably various things that are harder to quantify like loneliness, friendlessness and the ability to concentrate in class). We don't have to go way back into the mists of time to imagine a world where most Western teenagers don't own smartphones: I don't think it's remotely controversial to suggest that the average teenager was happier in 2013 than they are now. And what, exactly, are the benefits of widespread smartphone adoption among young people? This really does seem like a case of extreme costs and marginal (if any) benefits.
Another wrinkle in the Platner story: his working-class man of the people presentation is a complete shtick:
Platner, for example, said he relied on assistance from the Department of Veterans Affairs to purchase his home in Sullivan in 2017, but mortgage records show he borrowed $200,000 from his father, a prominent local attorney, to buy the house, the Free Beacon reported. Platner has also said he's "never been close to money and power," though he attended an elite Connecticut boarding school that costs upwards of $75,000 a year and is the grandson of a world-famous architect known for designing $20,000 chairs. And while Platner presents himself in campaign materials as a hardscrabble "oyster farmer," his business partner also attended an ultra-elite New England boarding school, graduated from Dartmouth, boasts of drinking "foraged spring water with Redmond sea salt," and is an owner of the secluded Maine island where Platner's oyster farm is based. The primary purchaser of Platner's oysters, meanwhile, is a "casual fine dining restaurant" owned by Platner's mother, financial disclosures show.
His military background, while legitimate, was with the private military contractor Blackwater, rather than the US armed forces. He sometimes criticises his opponent Susan Collins by claiming he fought wars she sent him to fight in, but as she pointed out, this is a bit of a reach considering he was never drafted.
Wealthy nepo baby who went to an expensive private school signs up to fight for a PMC. After tendering his resignation, his father buys him a house, and he starts a business whose primary client is his mother. Despite later presenting himself as a socialist, he gets a tattoo heavily associated with a far-right political ideology (the significance of which he's obviously aware of, given his efforts to hide it from cameras), and only reluctantly agrees to cover it up on sufferance. He gets married, but either cheats on his wife or tries to, while attempting to conceive via IVF.
If this guy was a Republican candidate, the Dems would be calling him a wealthy scion of intergenerational privilege who harbours crypto-fascist leanings and doesn't respect women. The other week I linked to an article by Jeff Maurer, who predicted that Platner might change his tune and become much more openly conservative, perhaps even running as a GOP candidate. Nothing I've learned about him since makes that eventuality seem less likely.
What a sad story. Simmons and co. should be ashamed.
Probably nothing Rebecca Black experienced is legally actionable. But I don't think it requires any great insight into the human condition to say that a typical thirteen-year-old girl would find it extremely upsetting if complete strangers were calling her on the phone telling her they'd kill her if she didn't take a YouTube video down. Even if they were just prank calls, even if she knew they were just prank calls. I don't see why there's such a great objection in this thread to characterising this behaviour as bullying. Calling a thirteen-year-old girl on the phone and threatening to kill her (even just "as a prank") is shitty, inexcusable behaviour, even if it might be technically legal in certain jurisdictions.
Yeah, I think that's a fairly typical route by which children end up being financially exploited.
You're not picking an adult up off the back of a dirtbike they're too big for and then CGI-ing it into something else.
I mean, there are plenty of points in T2 where Edward Furlong is pretty obviously replaced by a stunt double. Arnie too, for that matter.
And it's not "bullying".
Well, now I think you're splitting hairs.
Yeah, that's true.
I agree, and part of the reason I object to child actors is because in many ways it's an extension (or intensification) of some of the worst parts of bubble-wrap parenting: it's yet another instance of children being kept indoors under the direct supervision of adults, rarely interacting with their peers directly, optimising their appearances and mannerisms for how they'll look in a camera lens. It used to be that only a tiny minority of children would ever even consider pursuing a career in the entertainment industry, but now "YouTuber", "influencer" and "streamer" are among the most popular career aspirations for Gen Alpha, and they spend hours every day using devices with which they could in theory pursue these careers.
Let Make them go outside and ride their bikes, for Christ's sake.
At least two of them were considered serious enough to warrant investigation by the Anaheim police department. @The_Nybbler
Contrary to your suggested complaints, I believe this is the exact kind of restriction that breeds creativity.
Oh I agree, absolutely. I think the hypothetical directors who would complain about no longer being permitted to use child actors will eventually sound as ridiculous to us as directors from previous generations who would complain about not being allowed to endanger, maim or kill animals to get the shot. Photorealistic generative AI is one example of how a creative director could get around this restriction.
That being said
In our world however, modern movies go for maximum immersion. Everything must look as true to life as possible.
I'm not sure if I really agree with this. Modern Hollywood movies don't really look anything like real life. Even when they aren't primarily filmed on a green screen, they tend to use much more aggressive colour grading than the films of earlier decades did. Actors tend to be perfectly made up: it is rare to see a character in a tropical climate who is dripping with sweat (as was done in, for example, Sorcerer). Modern Hollywood films tend to be stylised to within an inch of their lives and drained of weight and tactility.
I put trash-talking in a different mental category.
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