George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
The things you lean on / are things that don't last
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George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
2d ago
It's surreal watching Anwar Congo sort of reenact how he would cut people's throats with wire in the chairs they had rigged up. I was also not particularly moved by what some viewers say was his epiphany of the brutality of his own behavior.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
2d ago
Similar to be sure, but in practice quite different..This seems obvious to me. I'm typing while walking so forgive the short reply.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
2d ago
Well, there's the Dale Carnegie how to win friends and influence people, and then there's the Machiavellian exploitation of others for one's own benefit, or to get one's rocks off. I see a difference.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
2d ago
...which makes sense, because the PUA/Game materials are overwhelmingly not about self-improvement, betterment, wellbeing or personal growth as much as grimoires teaching manipulation, deceit, and an approach of smoke and mirrors to get up the skirts (or down the pants, for Americans) of women.
I remember Neil Strauss's book back in the day had its share of how to be "your best self" segments (it was very readable) but his original strain of PUA seems to have been subsumed by the more opportunistic, commodified variety schooling young men to use, for lack of a better word, trickery. Guys who buy into that schtick (literally spending money) deserve a certain amount of sympathy, but then feeling pity for them is the aphrodisiacal equivalent of tarring them with feces.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
4d ago
I didn't realize when responding how long the discussion was. Apparently no one else had my impression, in any case.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
4d ago
I think in your scenario you're conflating promiscuity (willingness to engage in sex with multiple partners, even multiple partners who are strangers or are relative strangers) and being DTF one's significant other. In my experience (sudden screech of mic feedback) once in a committed relationship, women are DTF almost as much as men, if not moreso (in marriage I'd say moreso, though YMMV, and it's true I married well past my excruciatingly lustful late teens and twenties.)
Now times may have a' changed, it's true, I guess, at least one reads that no one's having sex anymore. They say that about Japan as well but I am convinced that's just bad data.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
5d ago
I'll try to make an effort post at some point, thanks for the interest.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
5d ago
Are you saying you don't nuzzle up to your ChatGPT?
Regarding tarantulas and cockroaches, kill them with fire. We used to have quite large (big-ass) cockroaches in Alabama, and once I felt the hair on my neck stand up when I saw one launch itself from a high wall and flutter its infernal wings as it glided to the floor. As for spiders I am a lifelong arachnophobe. The camel spiders of the Kalahari (yes yes not arachnids) compounded that trauma tenfold.
In Botswana there were many stray dogs. Probably some mix of Rhodesian Ridgebacks and whatever other feral dogs roamed the Kalahari. They were docile enough when alone and well fed, but wild enough that I wouldn't want to encounter a pack of them in the bush. There was an Afrikaner phrase which basically meant Get out of here which was, if I recall correctly, Vootsak! This--or ar least this was how it was explained to me--was a reduction of the sentence Voort se ek which meant "Forward, I say."
If you shouted "Vootsak" at a dog it seemed to get your meaning, and would fuck itself off. A hand gesture as if flinging seed like someone in a Van Gogh painting helped the message, if you were willing.
I only learned this term because Vootsak, if said to a human, was considered very much fighting words. Unless the human also fucked off, in which case job done, if rather rudely.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
5d ago
It's not the cat or even the dander you're allergic to. It's the protein Fel d 1 in the cat's saliva that is transferred to their fur/skin when they groom themselves. Some cat food companies claim to make a kibble that supposedly has anti Fel D 1 antibodies, creating hypoallergenic cats. I have no idea to what degree this works. This won't help with the shit removal or improve the conversation. (Though my black cat will talk to me if I cough.)
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
5d ago
This is the most Motte post I've read all week. It's also the first thread I've read so there's that.
I grew up with dogs, but mostly very well-trained dogs. I get your intolerance for dogs, or at least I get your intolerance for dogs that run amok. Dog people (a term I use loosely) often think if they have you over you'll be fine with the dog nuzzling up against you as you're trying to eat the bean burrito. Isn't Buster cute? Look he's hungry. There is also an unquestionable smell of dog in most every indoor dog house. Not necessarily feces, but definitely dog.
I do like dogs and I get that, too. Except most of the dogs in Japan, which I consider odd mutations of what may have once been noble strong breeds but are now tiny, yappy, dew-eyed over-coiffed and overdressed trip hazards. As in you'll trip over them.
We have cats now. Entire different animal type requiring an entirely different mindset. I won't belabor the obvious that everyone already knows when I write that.
I do get your impatience for dogs, though. Though yours is more a hatred and disgust. My own impatience is mostly for the owners. One of the many reasons I quit reddit was the fawning subculture of cat people who would post what they imagined were adorable videos of their cats innocently destroying some expensive tchothcke, or grabbing their McDonald's nugget or whatever embarrassing fast food they were eating, usually in bed. I would typically bite my tongue/typing fingers regarding their questionable hygiene, and instead post a benign "Train your animal, please" and be downvoted to kitty hell. Ok maybe once I said "WTF Train your fucking cat."
I feel as if you were in the wilderness or countryside and had a loyal dog you might change your mind. I could be wrong, though.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
6d ago
There may be a tendency, in such reviews (and I know less about games I suspect than you even claim to know) is that we are captured/limited by our own experiences of the era. I received (and gave away) many mixtapes in the early nineties. You'd write clever titles on the sticker and click out the tab so it couldn't be accidentally erased. I received some really good ones that introduced me to music to which I wouldn't normally have been exposed. You used a pencil also if the tape was particularly stiff or tightly wound, for whatever reason. It wasn't cool. It was just something you did. I can't comment on how 90s teens would have acted as I was mid to late twenties in the 90s. I generally agree with your larger point that film and media people don't get eras right when it's trivially easy to triangulate actual human perspectives of people who lived through them. Don't get me started on how the South is represented (or southern accents).
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
6d ago
Depersonalization though you've probably researched the phenomenon yourself. Again, interesting. Does this come and go even now or is it just a memory of how you used to be?
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
6d ago
Makes sense. L’appétit vient en mangeant.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
7d ago
I feel like Mishima's particular form of narcissistic suicidal homosexuality would be difficult to percolate anywhere.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
7d ago
Very interesting. You're not quite what I would have predicted or imagined, and I'm not terrible at predicting/imagining, though of course I'm not Kreskin. You don't seem insane or sociopathic to me, except when you do, but then that's just Woman TM. Vive la difference. You got Sloot in here derailing the conversation so that's a point on the board for you. I'm sorry if my interest seemed untoward, but I am forever trying to print faces on the masks/usernames here.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
8d ago
I've been mulling over this comment since I read it shortly after you posted yesterday. Like others, I have the impression that within your comment is a need, a plaintive statement of dissatisfaction, though most of what you write here suggests the opposite (that you're happy, though you immediately qualify the term.) Yet you do now wish and long have wished to not exist:
I've wanted to be dead (not the same as wanted to commit suicide, I've never tried that) since I was about eleven, but here it is decades and decades later and I'm still here.
Why? Not why are you still here but why would you wish to not be?
I didn't answer immediately because I'm certainly not a trained counselor or psychiatrist but I felt like I wanted to probe deeper into your motivations in posting this comment. I'm probably just as weird (to use your term) as anyone on here but with a more normie veneer. I too have little problem being alone most of the time. I've spent vast swaths of my life alone, and not in the "we're all really alone" sense but in the no one else anywhere near me sense. I'm not a stranger to it. But it can be a great weight. It's like anything, fine for as long as it's fine, but too much of it and you're asking for trouble. You sense this, though you're not giving voice to it.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
8d ago
Your last sentence gave me pause. Are you suggesting the reason is the MMA sparring and resultant brain damage? It seems that it may be just as likely that violent sports often attract violent men, violent men act out this violence on whoever is closest, etc.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
8d ago
A bit higher risk for older fathers than for older mothers, if I am not incorrect.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
9d ago
In your second example (God help me for discussing this) the male has acted willfully to con/re strain the woman, thus his act can be considered rape, impairment or no. By me, I mean. I am certainly not a lawyer and cannot adjudicate this in any sort of legal sense in any jurisdiction. It wouldn't even matter if the restraint was violent. As long as she was unwilling, rape is the word. And importantly, he's human. He's acting on human impulses and has restrained her.
To answer your 1, yes that sounds about right. The human used the animal to violate/rape.
This is just my take but I honestly see it as the reasonable take. Change my view if you're (anyone) up for it. Or just let this discussion die.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
9d ago
Past five on a Friday is more typical.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
9d ago
That's just my point though, calling it rape suggests a volition, a willful act against the consensual, as opposed to simply instinct. A human can rape, because rape is a human act, defined within human terms. A dog (or whatever we're talking about) cannot be defined within those terms, even if the human is unwilling. Presumably a dog would only have sex with a human if coerced or duped. I guess. I don't particularly want to know. Even if it did make it with a human, it would not be rape as such, though it would be a violation, and certainly unseemly and profane, if we can use those terms.
This reminds me of a time around 20 years ago sitting in a local dive, a college bar devoid of college students, with a friend of mine, he was flipping through a magazine, one of many the owner had left at the bar, some biker/art/alternative magazine. On one page was a blonde Japanese woman showing a good deal of leg, walking what appeared to be a Pyrenees or Samoyed. I was an idiot and had been drinking and made a stupid joke: "Turn the page and she'll be fucking that dog."
He turned the page. I hadn't got it quite right, as the dog was humping her. Not her leg, if you understand my meaning. I never looked at that bar's magazines after that. Anyway they closed their big swinging door about a decade later.
You can disagree about the word rape here, it's fine, it's not something I care that deeply about, just my sense. I used to be annoyed at the reddit crowd when someone would remark on dolphins' mental capacity and the tendency to be protective of humans in open water, then to many thousands of upvotes someone would counter testily "Yeah but fuck dolphins, they're rapists." This seems the same kind of naïve misconstruing of animal behavior as the people who keep chimpanzees as pets and call them "part of the family".
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
10d ago
Never imagined I'd be posting this on a Wednesday morning, but I think applying the word rape to animal behavior is unnecessarily anthropomorphic. A dog doesn't rape, it just goes with its instincts. Rape is a human term involving consent, etc.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
10d ago
Ir wouldn't be formally announced. China would keep Trump off camera and the CCP would make some statement that he was enjoying an extended visit in private.
Newsrooms around the world would privately celebrate their good fortune in covering the ongoing story.
A certain subset of the American public would begin "You can keep him" campaigns, probably with hats and T-shirts, etc. These would be all over TikTok. This in the vein of the tendency of many Americans to want to mash a self-destruct button.
Democratic politicians would make statements of feigned outrage beginning with "We disagree on everything, but.." Some would suggest peaceful negotiations.
The UN, after a long session , would make a solemn statement about how such behavior in China's part is unacceptable. Then do nothing.
Markets would go into freefall. Allies would mobilize for war with an unclear objective. Even more interesting times would ensue.
Carnegie, at least that book, did not strike me as manipulative. It was more like "Be the kind of person that is likeable" and can actually effect change in someone else's view (possibly a naive hope in today's online climate where everything is rhetoric).
To answer, to me it seems like a difference in kind, though I could probably be argued into agreeing that it's actually a difference in degree. The goals of PUA (in practical terms, and as it is often presented in the forms I've seen it) seem more crass and selfish. Again, in The Game I believe Strauss was proposing more of a make yourself a better man philosophy, but that's been corrupted, in my view. To me it's not even the commodifying of the practice (which Carnegie also did, via lectures etc.) it's the purported goals.
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