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Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3mo ago
I was partial to the "one-shot by SF techie grade psychadelics" hypothesis.
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All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3mo ago
So exactly which incidents of right-wing violence are you absolving the right of? Dylan Roof Storm? Timothy McVeigh? Hitler killed himself, does that mean no one should hold his actions against fascists?
But Crooks was obviously insane, and all signs point to Robinson having been too.
Absolutely not. Crooks has no indications of mental issues and was quite methodical, just as you said about Luigi. Same with Robinson. If he's crazy, then half the Democrat party needs to be institutionalized. "Making the Blue Team look bad" is not a mental health problem.
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3mo ago
No, this is just mental illness as a deflection. You could use the exact same logic to dismiss every instance of single right-wing violence. Being wrong doesn't make someone crazy. If that's going to remain a useful category, then it needs to be limited to people who actually seem to be severely misfiring, not just people who make your side look bad. I would put Boelter and Loughtner in the former category because their beliefs seem actually insane, as in the things they claim to believe are just disconnected from reality. It is not impossible that Robinson is a genuinely crazy person who thought that Kirk was, I don't know, an agent laying the groundwork for an alien invasion. But there is as yet not a single peice of evidence pointing in that direction, and from what we do know, if Robinson counts as "crazy" then so does half the left. Should they all be committed?
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3mo ago
I think everyone who took Q seriously (and this guy in particular) is an idiot with a mostly incoherent view of the world. And I don't mean that in a way that exonerates them by blaming it on some nebulous mental health problem. I mean that their attempts to assemble facts and details into a viable understanding of reality is just appallingly bad. They are stupid people, or at least they crit-failed important, load-bearing sense-making operations in a way that caused catastrophic downstream effects.
So, given that this dude was at least culturally enmeshed in a very leftist environment, I would expect his adoption of Q to be particularly asinine, because there's more inferential distance to cover with flimsy bullshit. Going all the way to being a QMAGA type is possible, but there's a lot of room for weird, idiotic shortcuts like "Pelosi is a traitor to the left".
My greater point is more that I don't think the framing by his legal defense should be taken at face value. There are multiple plausible reasons they might stress some things and downplay others as a strategy to play the judge and jury.
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3mo ago
I remember seeing photo albums of the damage in the aftermath and it totaled up to like, 4 maybe 5 broken windows. Shared by a leftwinger, FWIW, though I suppose it could have just been laziness or incompetence.
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3mo ago
No, not really. The left only cares about Epstein to the extent that it's a weapon to use against Trump.
I'd still like to see what the "references" were. There's a world of difference between "Q really opened my eyes, and now I see that leftwingers like Nancy Pelosi are the adrenochrome eaters" and "Rightwingers are fascists, but this Q guy seems legit. Nancy Pelosi is basically a Republikkan."
The wording there leaves open the possibility that there's some framing gaming happening by the defense, like the Matthew Shepherd case.
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3mo ago
According to Kash Patel, Robinson told someone beforehand that he had a chance to kill Kirk and was going to do it. Per Patel: "And when he was asked why, he said some hatred cannot be negotiated with.".
Rather sounds like the ideology drove him to do it, imo.
As an aside, the crap deBoer is pulling here is fully generalizable. There's not a single instance of political violence where you can't use this technique to deflect. It's just a tired reskin of "They're not dangerous criminals, they're just having mental health issues!", but obviously Freddie doesn't want to take that precise angle, so he finds a new obfuscatory way to do the same thing.
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3mo ago
Is there a better way than Google Maps to navigate public transit in a city? It doesn't seem to do effective (or at least comprehensible) route-finding between transit types, e.g. start here, walk over to here, take this train type identified by this designation to this location, then walk to the destination. And this surprises me, because it feels like it should be technically simple compared to everything else going on. I've also had issues before where it tries to direct me to station entrances that simply don't exist.
There has to be a better way!
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3mo ago
I don't think there's much of a plan. Just vague motion to keep milking the cashcow while he stares longingly at the Harem Option.
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All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3mo ago
Every single other person interviewed describes him as a weird loner who never expressed any personal details beyond a general anxiety about doing well in school. Do you really believe that this one memory from a random classmate of the weird loner standing on the side of the room with no other people is the dispositive proof of his sincere beliefs?
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3mo ago
and some people who knew him said he was an outspoken conservative
What people? From what I've read, he functionally didn't have any friends and barely interacted with anyone outside coursework.
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3mo ago
Okay. That's strange to me. How can they enforce the name and hospital affiliation of any mental health practicioner you have ever seen since birth with an additional two unrelated adult references, if it's a private purchase? Who's going to check? Did anyone put any thought into this law?
Those are the requirements to get the license that allows you to purchase firearms. Getting a CCW requires 4 references, which is annoying as fuck when most of my friends are casual libtards who feel uncomfortable doing so.
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3mo ago
Are you reading these articles? The Baltimore power grid looks like the only clear-cut example. The Texas mall is the next closest, but the Hispanic guy probably does deserve an astrisk when being used as an example of white supremacist violence (neo-nazi is fair, imo).
But in all the links you've dropped, the school shooters in particular seem much more fixated on the concept of "school shootings" rather than a political angle. Some of them did at least have some far-right or neo-nazi symbolism going on, but for others the connection is "used the OK sign", or the black kid who "may" have been linked to a manifesto that liked some right-wing shooters (and also wanted to kill all the white people and Jews).
The Nashville power plant one might be the most egregious. I've spent 20 fucking years arguing that it is not meaningful when the FBI convinces some autistic Muslim kid to hate America, do something about it, then gives him money to buy fake bomb materials from them, to carry out the plan that they gave him. That doesn't change when they do it to a white guy. What were his ties to white nationalist groups that only appear in the article as something he claimed to his FBI handler? His other FBI handler?
And the thing that jumps out at me is that every one of these articles is drenched in full-throated condemnation and insistant linking. Like there are entire well-funded organizations dedicated to drawing all possible connections here, no matter how tenuous.
Compare that to "The shooter wrote cultural phrases on the bullets" type evasive vagueness that we get from mainstream outlets for violence going the other way. "The killer wrote 'Catch this, fascist!' on the bullet. Experts are unclear if anyone has ever used this phrase before, and certainly can't imagine any extremist groups who might condone such language. This was probably right-on-right violence inspired by Nick Fuentes."
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3mo ago
That's a degree of dark brilliance I wouldn't have expected from them. Big, if true.
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3mo ago
I mean, let me be clear, I think the assassination was a bad idea; and even if I weren't, I think there were far better targets if you wanted to throw your life away on that.
How many were in Utah? Proximity likely played a large role.
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3mo ago
That story had elements of "there but for the grace of God..." I had a near-perfect SAT and it wasn't enough to help me when my spectacular test-taking started writing checks that my work ethic and discipline couldn't cash. The fact that he had such high ability is exactly why failing would cause a personal identity bluescreen.
simplistic "he fell for a bunch of libtard indoctrination."
My hypothesis is more that he needed some kind of answer for the crisis, and he already leaned pretty left (purportedly), so it was easier to slide down the slippery slope of that brand of radicalization. Abundance Dems don't have a thalamic answer to that crisis. Far-leftists do, i.e. "Of course you were hampered by the buzzwords we live under! Once we destroy The System, then your genius will have a chance to flourish!"
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3mo ago
I don't think I've seen an actual joke, just clapter stuff. I mean, there's gotta be something there, with the small face meme, right? I did have a good laugh at the thought that I'm probably going to have to explain horny anime memes to my parents. Some comedian is going to get a fantastic five out of the situation. It's just not going to be any of the Daily SHow wannabes.
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3mo ago
but this is exactly how many of those people have felt for years or decades - Like conservatives want them (or their friends/family) to not exist
I had a close friend radicalize hard left and come out as trans. Had a bookkeeping job at a transportation company, mostly worked from home. Would tell us about the hateful, eliminationist comments made all the time by the crude, uneducated, racist, sexist, transphobic blue collar rightwing chud warehouse workers.
The thing is, those comments were 100% made up. My friend never talked to them. Was never around them in the first place. No one in the warehouse gives a shit about the weird guy in the office who works from home 90% of the time, who they never interact with. And even if they did see my friend in the, uh, unfortunate appearances stage, the response would have been laughter, not intense hatred.
Part of the reason I am so confident about this (aside from my own experience as one of the warehouse guys) is that I've literally watched that friend gaslight themselves into a persecution complex. Take an anodyne statement, get outraged, restate it five times, each one going progressively more hostile and angry, until they were crashing out over a made-up thing that no one said.
And I observe that this is pretty damn common among certain people. JK Rowling is a good progressive on 99% of issues, but she doesn't want blokes in battered women's shelters, so now they pretend she's a Holocaust denier who wants them all to die. Jesse Sinegal (the guy you just linked to) is a good progressive on 99.9% of issues, he just thinks the science on childhood gender transition is a bit weak, and the response is cartoons depicting him breaking into a trans kid's bedroom with a knife to murder them (along with BlueSky-approved fan fiction depicting his rape and murder by a trans activist).
I frequently hear about "trans genocide" when the murder rate against them is lower than wealthy white women. I went looking at one point, I think 2019, just searching for news articles about a list of the names of murdered trans people. Every one I could find news about was a black transwoman sexworker murdered by a black john. Is that the conservative bloodlust?
Yes, there are people baying for blood in the wake of Kirk's murder, and that guy you linked deserves to be roundly criticized. But the baseline level of discourse I see among conservatives, the attitude to trans people is a hundred times closer to "But I don't think of you at all" than "They should not exist and we should make it happen". The latter is something I don't think I've ever seen aside from that asshole you just linked to. Frankly, the baseline hostility backwards I see in, say, fandom discords that trend queer is much higher than in explicitly right-wing spaces towards trans people.
it's, uh, hard to blame them for thinking that.
Everything else aside, do you return that feeling to the other side? I was rolling my eyes at the "they literally want to kill you" guys on the right just a few days ago. I've reconsidered recently.
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3mo ago
If Ilhan Omar died in a car accident and people were being fired for voicing disrespectful opinions about her, would you feel similarly?
Yes. Good grief, if nothing else it's just stupid. A dead Ilhan Omar is a closed plot thread. There's nothing to shut down, no final argument to win with a post-buzzer dunk. I'm sure plenty of people wouldn't be able to restrain themselves from husband/brother jokes and nastier comments besides, but it's feeding ammo to the outgroup.
Just nod to yourself to acknowledge the changed landscape, do the "Thoughts and Prayers with her family" ritual and move on to the next battle.
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3mo ago
Thematically, IMO, the ending cements the futility of the urge that drove the boys into the contest in the first place. I can’t possibly do it justice here, but it’s a haunting, phenomenal, thematically rich ending (for an author who is notoriously bad at writing endings) to a great book.
You know, I see right-wingers make fun of King for looking like an old lesbian, but reading that description makes me want to rip up his man card. What a dismal spirit it must have taken to write that book! Hopefully, he can at least blame the drugs.
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3mo ago
Of course, I'm sure the Mormon Church and Fuentes wouldn't condone trans stuff, but they'd have the standard tradcon view of being sincere and gracious and wishing you'd see the light.
The clips I've seen of Kirk have him doing exactly that - expressing compassion towards the trans person, but suggesting counseling over transitioning. Are there examples otherwise? I'm sure the grave dancers can provide you with plenty, assuming the exist.
But I'd like to take this opporunity to sketch out a story. Imagine you're a smart kid, smart enough to figure out that you're smarter than your parents, and you might even be right about that. Your family might be Republicans, but you swing leftward, because a cursory glance at the culture bombards you like Hiro-fucking-shima with the idea that this is what All The Smart People do.
Then you go to college, first step of being a Professional Smart Person Who Is Obviously Left and you bomb out in one semester. You spend a few years pickling in existential crisis, gripping harder and deeper onto things that let you externalize the sense of failure. Radicalized by the university? What is this, the 60s? Wake up grandpa, it's the Roaring 20's, and we can mainline weapons-grade radicalism 24/7 from the box that lives in our pocket, and Discord is full of leftists that make Bill Ayers look like Mr. Rogers, and the ideology is basically designed to foster an external locus of control and shift blame for personal failings.
You tell your family that you're going to be an electrician because that's something they'll find respectable enough to get off your back, and it's one of the more intellectual blue collar trades, so it offends your sensibilities less.
Eventually the identity crisis stabilizes, but it settles into a horrible valley. You conclude that you're cooked, that you'll never be a real intellectual, and eventually you're going to have to actually become a tradesman or deal with your family. But you still think you're smart - smart enough to see what could and should be done. And you're basically expendable, right? What's a human life worth, really? Maybe you quote Che's final words to yourself.
Why not trade that horrifyingly mediocre future to eliminate a major node of enemy coordination and memetic production? Why, it's practically the most valuable thing you could possibly do with yourself! And the target in question isn't 110% pro-affirmation for trans people, which is Doing A Genocide, so it's basically self-defense even!
Based on currently available info, my best guess is something vaguely along these lines. Bro failed out of college, had an identity crisis, latched onto extremist politics to cope, went full hicklib, and then suffered a tragic outbreak of agency.
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3mo ago
but I very much doubt that if you get shot like Kirk was, you'll be enjoying anything after that (much less political power).
I find that I still have a presumption that when the news says "shot", that means "still alive". I guess things might break too fast anymore for that intuition to hold, but it's still part of my immediate thought process ("If he were dead, then they'd say that!")
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3mo ago
I've seen rightwingers talk about Carson, as a volunteer for the Leopards Eating Faces Party. No real sympathy for him, and a great deal of contempt for his fellow volunteer girlfriend that veered into exaggerating her own sins (No, she did not call for the release of the murderer and instead cooperated with the police to prosecute him. OTOH, she is a Zohran supporters, so she kind of is with extra steps.)
The rhetoric from the right is vaguely comparable to the people just bashing Kirk for supporting the 2nd, but knowledge of the case is still pretty limited.
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