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Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
15d ago
Sounds like both Russian invasions of Ukraine.
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15d ago
That's a black sense of humor congruent with most people in a profession where people die. Doctors, soldiers, EMTs, cops, etc. What that actually intends to signal is solidarity with the people who might have to carry out actual violence, over desk-and-degrees leadership a thousand miles away (and their fellow social class members like journalists and general upper class laptop people who take WaPo seriously).
Hegseth's entire pitch for the position was "the purpose of the military is killing people, get back to basics". Getting verklempt over a dark meme is the new R government equivalent of misgendering someone.
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15d ago
If US manufacturers and gun shops were selling guns in the US, and the guns they made and sold were involved in the deaths of ~48,000 a year and used in untold numbers of robberies and other crime, would you be ok with the government using lethal force on the gun shop and manufacturers?
Let's specify "illegal ghost guns" just to highlight the faultlines. In which case, no, because I am not opposed to unregistered ghost guns. But I would bet that approximately 0% of the people upset about the narcoboats would bat an eye if the US government slaughtered a warehouse full of guys 3D printing guns with no warning or warrant or evidence.
Even if they're doing the exact same thing and selling the exact same products.
Cocaine is not legal for sale from US producers. The point of that hypothetical was to change the object-value-valence (guns:good/bad, drugs:good/bad) and see what people's moral intuition came up with.
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15d ago
There are people who make the argument that gun sellers should be held responsible for anything done with their product, but it's generally laughed out of American society.
It was absolutely not laughed out. It was part of a serious lawfare push from the left to bankrupt and destroy the entire domestic gun manufacturing industry. The right ended up passing legislation to specifically ban that kind of "process is the punishment and maybe we win the lottery" fishing lawsuit.
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15d ago
Only in direct response to normal contraband-interception-operations being attacked with lethal force.
Including in this scenario, where "normal contraband interception operations" are completely impractical?
Are you familiar with the heat map meme?
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15d ago
My dude, that whole quote is pure "The media rarely lies, just carefully weaves un- and half-truths like a wicked fey. Meet them with fire and cold iron."
And there's actually still plenty of room for straight up lies in what you posted. That first sentence is a masterclass in smuggled assumptions and sleight-of-hand implication. But no, there is nothing remotely resembling "confirmation" in that quote. What you are seeing is your own motivated reasoning, in a mirror.
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16d ago
Or, you know, we could take them prisoner?
There are significant logistical difficulties in doing this before the boat has been hit by a missile. Afterwards, they apparently have been, when reasonably possible.
If you're referring to the purported double-tap specifically, well, is there any good reason to think such a thing happened? You're not seriously taking an anonymous anti-Trump report from the Washington Post at face value in 2025, are you? One so perfectly timed with a Democrat Party psyop that it was almost certainly coordinated? Pity that CIA-Afghani dude went and shot a couple of National Guardsmen who were following "illegal according to Democrat Senator winking and nudging" orders. Really messed up the flow of the news cycle.
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16d ago
If South American cartels were running guns into the US that were used in the deaths of over 100k Americans per years, would you be ok with the government using lethal force on the gun runners?
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16d ago
I have fewer interactions with China outside of, as I said, the fiction, which likely plays up certain elements for drama. But the zero sum thinking comes up often, in a way that makes it feel like I'm listening to a fish talk about life, and just inferring the presence of water. In my impression, the Chinese are less "scumbag war of all against all" compared to India, but there's a consistent notion that your gain is someone else's loss - and your loss, someone else's gain. I've seen a few different sources suggest that wisdom is accepting that during your life, you'll be on both sides of the situation and that wickedness is going too far in the war of all against all.
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16d ago
Are talking about the man’s daughter.
No, we are not, and thinking Trump was is retarded.
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16d ago
I've had a similar idea to this post floating around in my head for a few months now - just observing bits of the phenomenon without having a word for it. I think China has a pretty similar version, or at least, that's what shows up in their translated fiction.
Perhaps the common cause is a long standing, fully settled culture. If there's no "frontier", if there's no concept of "making money" in a Randian sense of creating wealth by the alchemy of effort and ingenuity, then wouldn't a fiercely zero-sum culture make perfect sense? If the only way to benefit is for someone else to lose, then wouldn't that explain a culture of scammers? The way visiting vtubers talk about sliding into a hatefully defensive mindset in a week because every cabbie and street vendor "accidentally" adds an extra digit to the charge? Or the prank videos where someone records "finding" a bill on the floor of an Indian-owned shop, and the counter-minder immediately goes all on on a bluff check, insisting that they money was theirs and they dropped it and "If you are a good person, you'll give it to me."
What would happen after a hundred generations of that?
And getting caught up on the murder rate thing is an error. China doesn't have a high murder rate for the sake of face... but when it came to it, the CCP let millions of people starve so they could pretend to the world that everything was going great. Doesn't India have a history of mass famines? How many of them were made worse by aristocrats refusing to acknowledge the problem because it would lose them points in intra-elite status games?
What would happen after a hundred generations of that?
One of the things I see people talk about regarding India is this superposition of hateful gloating blended with crying supplication, like code switching back and forth to whichever seems most advantageous.
Ironically, I see the same thing in black thug culture. A guy will act like the toughest motherfucker in the world... until he gets pinched. Then he flips a switch and turns into a crybaby bitch, begging for a mercy he never showed anyone else. Seems kinda dishonorable for an "honor culture", but maybe that's just an optimization for a matriarchal/matrilinear subculture. If there's no name to pass down to your sons, why not trade that honor/face for a shot at an undeserved mercy? Or at least a police brutality payout?
That's another culture that openly celebrates "hustlers". Have you ever been hustled? I have, in my quokka days. It took more than a half dozen times, feeling like a fool for offering help and charity, before I internalized the rule "If a black guy asks you for help that even touches on the concept of money, he is a piece of shit scammer. Fuck him, fuck his "sick" mother and fuck his whole sick culture."
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16d ago
He doesn't have any other fiction on the level of HPMoR, though, does he?
Not on the level of MoR, but he is very likely the author of The Waves Arisen, which is a similar take on Naruto, with less intensive plotting.
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16d ago
Part of me tends to call this the (1944 American) Jewish experience of the war, the outcast's experience of the war: alienated, never fitting in, always being removed from your comrades, never quite one of the guys.
A gay friend once described his alienation in high school in a way that made me think (but not say) "Yeah, that sounds exactly like being an insecure fat kid." I think the internal experience of alienation is pretty source independent. Maybe Mailer was just a weird asshole that no one else liked, doing a big old Typical Mind Fallacy.
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18d ago
Then there ought to be some kind of evidence that could be produced, no? Minutes of a meeting where Biden was briefed and made a decision, something like that?
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19d ago
How did you get into Venturing? I wasn't even aware it was a thing when I was young. And when I was an adult volunteer, everything made it sound like a thing for older kids who couldn't let go, a way to hang onto scouting after Eagle until you could drink.
If it's more of a parallel to existing BSA program, maybe that's the a good chunk of the answer I was looking for... just poorly advertised.
Looks like there are none in my county, but 25 miles isn't too far. My 14 year old might be more into that than the social studies stuff.
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19d ago
It's possible there is some mix-up between regional terminology and technical rankings. But as I have always used them, the "den leader" term is for the actual, on-the-paperwork adult in charge of a den. A "den mother" would be another parent, probably a mom, nowadays always an on-the-paperwork volunteer (but maybe not in the Olden Days of 1990), who would focus on more nurturing aspects. Stuff like making sure no kid skipped breakfast on a camping trip, that a dad might be more likely to just ignore or shrug off.
There's a similar dynamic on my son's middle school football team. There is a group of coaches, mostly dads, all men. And there is another group of "team mom's" who do things like self-organize rotations to make sure the players are provided with Gatorade and snacks at halftime and after the game. The "team mom" role is so female-coded that they don't even bother to reach out to me (single dad) for my turn in the rotation. Instead, they contact my mother (who, in fairness, was a longtime and committed volunteer when I was little and is more than happy to keep going for the grandkids).
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19d ago
Because some of the things they'd be taking way are very low cost, and probably even a net boon. Like letting Scouts meet on bases, or take tours. It functionally costs nothing, and it's tacitly encouraging Scouts in a direction you want to see them move.
Or cutting support to the Jamboree. It's probably justifiable just as a training exercise and a chance to show off. Citing the exemption that you can pull out for national security reasons because you're stretched too thin to handle the Boy Scouts just sounds weak.
The removal of rank/pay benefits, OTOH, are plausibly reasonable and appropriate.
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19d ago
"Being a civilian in Chicago is more dangerous than being a civilian in Ukraine". Does that phrasing sound acceptable?
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19d ago
Murder rate versus dead civilian rate.
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19d ago
This past July, Chicago had ~45 murders against a population of 2.72 million. Ukraine had 286 civilians killed, against a population that seems a bit up in the air, but 35 million looks like a decent estimate, somewhat rounded down.
So in that month, Chicago had 16.67 murders per million people, and Ukraine had 8.17 civilians killed per million people.
Sure this is a bit cherry picked - though I chose July simply because that was the first search result with a tangible number of deaths for Ukraine. That article notes that the 286 dead civilians was "the highest since May 2022", and July is also usually a bumper month for urban crime. I don't think the comparison is completely off base, or unfair. If we restricted it to just active war zones or active gang wars, do the ratios really change that much?
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19d ago
I think the point was more "If you hire someone to keep a building from catching on fire, but part of their incentive package is a reliable promise that if a fire happens then they will be the first to get rescued and also they win the lottery, then overall you haven't given them a strong incentive to be invested in a lack of building fires."
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19d ago
Well, why are they deployed?
Because some American cities are more dangerous than Ukraine.
Why is there a ton of tension and pressure around their deployment the a crazy ideologue can hook into?
Because Democrats are ideologically wedded to the idea that crime isn't real and that policing causes crime and the worst thing that could happen is for an increase in military-style crime deterrence to actually deter crime. Doubly so if that results in a win for Cheeto Hitler.
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20d ago
What would such a program look like in your mind?
One of the ideas that I had in mind, that I never got the opportunity to do because orienteering wasn't on the curriculum until Webelos was to bury caches of water balloons and water guns in our main wooded park, and then divide the scouts into teams. Give each team a map, and then let them loose to secure weapons and munitions and then wage war against each other.
It took me about $50 to build an ax-throwing range in the back yard. The local gun range charges $10 a head for an hour of archery, and would absolutely give discounts for a Scouts or Hard Scouts type regular event, and would almost certainly involve a subject-matter expert helping out. Bullets are expensive, but I'm sure something could be arranged, and the rentable 50 cal sniper rifle they offer would be a hell of an incentive to reward 12 year olds.
Beyond that, hard hiking and roughing it. Physically intensive activities, especially involving mud and filth. Mud Runs would be a good fit and fuck it, I'm signing up for the Philly one tonight. Manhunt in the woods at night. Paintball. Airsoft. Reach out to local law enforcement, military, and academic institutions for specific trainings. See where you can overlap with ROTC, (there's a term for junior police academy, but I've had a bunch of wine at dinner and can't think of it). Reach out to local universities and zoos for help with teaching about local wilderness hazards and wildlife.
Seriously physical conditioning. What are the optimal amounts for pre-teens? My son talks like he's terrified of "Coach Tyler sprints" at football... but he also complains when they get skipped. What does an optimal 2-3 times per month workout for young boys look like?
And let's go even more intensive. Movie nights with films like Tremors 1-2 and Red Dawn. Monthly book clubs featuring Gary Paulsen and Jack London and Rudyard Kipling.
The hard part would be maintaining standards, but I think with 15-20 hours per month between meetings and training and assigned readings, you could get some impressive results out of a program like that.
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20d ago
I think of my childhood as a triptych. In school, I was a nerd and then I came home and reread Redwall books on loop. Then, after a few hours of reading, I went to sports practice for my jock third, where I did football, hockey, basketball, baseball, crew, and year round swim teams. And then, on the weekends, I went to the farm a few towns over where my best friend lived to spend 48 hours as a feral redneck, loose on quads in a few hundred acres of woods with BB guns and slingshots and M80s until we stumbled back at dusk, exhausted and filthy.
That best friend tolerated Scouts for a grand total of 36 hours before he was sick of it, and demanded his parents pick him up from the summer camp. And while that might sound weaksauce, he also bagged his first buck a month after he turned 10, alone with a shotgun in a tree stand on his family property.
Did you see how I answered the question? I made it more extreme and then yeschaded it.
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