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				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The official position is that Good, after "stalking, harassing, and impeding" then committed a coordinated pre-trained "domestic act of terrorism" and "violently, willfully, and viciously" ran over an officer with who "followed his training and did exactly what he was taught to do." Nearly every load-bearing part of that entire position is false.




Actually, every part of that is meaningfully true.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You seem to literally exactly think this way, and that's why we're at serious risk of not having a country.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Do they really think that ICE are on some spree killing of middle-aged white women now?




At the least, if you have a middle-aged white woman in your life that you care about, please talk to them, make sure they know real people in grass world love them, and research de-radicalization strategies.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


the kind of profanity that'd come to my lips would be more along the lines of "oh shit" than "what an obnoxious fuck".




That's a you thing.  For myself, my initial reaction would probably be something like "You stupid asshole!  (Why did you make me do that!?)"


But that's a reaction to your scenario, which skips the "attacker hits me with their car" step, in which case my language would likely be quite a bit worse.


A few minutes later, after I've left the scene and calmed down?  Sure.  Introspection, maybe grace.  Two seconds after being hit by a car and shooting at someone in self defense?  I'm more:


"Piece of shit pigfucking retard motherfucker asshole scumbag Karen bitch motherfucking shitstain waste of cum - holy shit, am I ok?  Whew, I guess I'm not crippled.  Where's the-  Oh, fuck, did she die?"


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Taking a human life is a grave thing, even when it becomes necessary, and respect for the dead is an important part of civilized humanity. If you've just killed somebody, and the threat is passed, then you should ideally be somber, even contemplative; you should take time to make the gravity of what you have done sink in deep, even - indeed, especially - if you are confident that your actions were just.




An hour or day later?  Sure, though it's a grace she would have been very unlikely to offer back if she'd killed him instead.


Two seconds after she just put him in a life-or-death situation and hit him with her car, after a prolonged period of her acting like a fucking bitch Karen?  When he very likely doesn't even know if she's dead or hurt?


You're being absurd.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


probably hostile towards people trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation.




I wouldn't grant that.  The common attitude among the left towards sexual exploitation perpetrated by "oppressed peoples" is awkward doublethink.  Regarding illegal immigration in particular, they actively encouraged illegal immigrants to show up with children, were quite indifferent about whose child it actually was, and then deliberately hampered oversight while losing track of tens of thousands of children.


I'm not sure that I've ever seen people on the left take human trafficking / sex trafficking seriously as a concern.  They generally seem to treat any discussion of the topic as a bad faith attempt to restrict immigration or be racist at brown people.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The fact that the living ex-husband has custody of the older two seems to be consistent, though it's hard to find a specific, news-like cite.  I'm seeing numerous debunkings of the cigarette story, but from articles that are also saying she was just a mom dropping off her kid to daycare, so I'm tentatively rescinding that particular claim.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


This is the product of about nine seconds of research to recall the details of a half-remembered case.




Sure, it's just that when I do that for things like excessive anti-gun laws I come up with examples like "black mom who had a totally legal gun in the back of her car by her home state's standards who was arrested and prosecuted for having a gun while getting gas because she didn't quite appreciate that her route passed through New Jersey".  Or "veteran who was stopped in DC, and then arrested and prosecuted for having a spent shell casing in the trunk of his car".


In both cases, I hope them to be persuasive because of the vast chasm between the extremely minor infraction and then facing years of jail time.  Imagine if the best example I could come up with was "The ATF went after this guy just because he owned a gun (and also, he was part of a gang of people that shot up a store and he was totally there but he says he didn't shoot)".  I don't imagine that anyone on the other side would find that even slightly persuasive, and I would probably have to have an "Are we the baddies?" moment.




I see no reason to put more effort into it when past experience has shown that there is no amount of unambiguous evidence that you would accept at face value, let alone as demonstrative of a pattern.




The demonstrated pattern is that you have nothing remotely resembling "unambiguous" evidence.  I've been asking this question for a year now, and every single example makes ICE seem actually extremely professional and reasonable.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


This woman, mother of three




She actually is reported to have lost custody of the older two kids because she or the lesbian partner was putting cigarettes out on them.  So, please amend this to specify "abusive, proven unfit mother".


Might be a fake claim slipped in there.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
If Regina George hits you with a car, did her Mean Girls taunting somehow positively affect the transfer of kinetic energy?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
If you hit somebody with a car, they get to reflexively curse at you.  Sorry not sorry, those are the rules.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I agree that the claims that Good was somehow actively malicious, or that her death is anything else than a tragedy that shouldn't have occurred, are disgraceful.




I don't.  She was obviously being malicious.  She may (may) not have been deliberately, conciously attempting to murder a LEO, but at the very least she was acting with depraved indifference to the well-being of everyone around her, and having a great time and feeling extremely proud of herself for it.


If she had hit and killed that officer, she and her partner and all of her fellow protestors would likely have thrown a party.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Only one of those is even pretending to be an example.  So, in the 700k deportations they did last year, ICE briefly detained a single citizen who was on a work crew with a bunch of other Hispanic guys who totally were illegal?


Did the anti-ICE folks finally accept that "guy who was working security on the weed farm that used illegal minors as child slaves" wasn't the most compelling case?


Seriously, if this is the best you have to offer then ICE is doing a spectacular job.


BTW,




To be clear, apparent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion




You're welcome.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


violate the civil rights of citizens by detaining them on no grounds beyond their skin color..




Can you name a single time this happened?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I believe that you're an aged-but-empty account that just posted a pparagraph that had incendiary flame-bait for both sides of the American political spectrum.


OTOH, you're throwing off clear ESL flags, so maybe you just genuinely didn't know how Americans would take that.  My sincere apologies for accusing you of being a mildly clever member of my culture.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
RW Twitter has been having fun comparing this to how the Central Americans might have felt when Spaniards showed up with ships, steel, horses and guns.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
And before that, casually referring to the "totally intentional assassination".  This is old school trolling, the black-hearted darkness of the Elder Time, back when men just woke up and chose violence.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The "front page" looks different, but I did actually overlook one.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's a tradition from two locations ago (We used to be /r/themotte on reddit, and before that, we were on /r/ssc where Scott asked us to do a CW megathread to not plaster the front 5 pages of his subreddit with political arguments). We keep because it functions as a deliberate barrier to entry that wards off people who are uncomfortable with million word walls of text.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Go to youtube and scroll down the front page until you get to the section that suggests news clips even though you never watch the news on youtube.  For me, 3/4 are MN shooting (the other one is Trump talking about Cuba).  Looking at the general news tab, the MN shooting is at least a plurality if not a majority of suggested videos.


OTOH, apparently the NYT has decided that this story is bad for their interests and begun memory-holing it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I tend to disagree with this, at least in some situations. For example, when the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax took place, a lot of Duke professors and students publicly condemned the men who had been falsely accused. A few national newspapers jumped on the bandwagon. In my view a public apology and some soul-searching was in order.




Absolutely.  I meant more any faculty who saw the situation, intuited where it truly ended up, and chose to remain silent.  If you've already taken a strong stance, then yeah, you need to openly conform to reality if you want to retain any respect.


But if someone chooses not to engage with a situation in the first place, I'm not going to hold it against them.  Every position that everyone holds has at least some evidence against it, or example that makes them look bad.  You don't have to go to the mats, die with the lie, go all in for every single one.  You can just look at your cards and fold the hand.  There's a whole lot of poker left.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


How full is the water bottle? And it's a normal person throwing it with a predictable windup or it's just magically headed directly towards my center of mass and it's a question of reflexes to get out of the way? I feel like a childhood of playing suicide (apparently called butts up in the US of A) gives me pretty good odds.




Normal, full 20oz water bottle thrown by a reasonably fit and competent adult man.  Sure, 10yo Iconochasm would have done a Suicide Slide on concrete (because dodgeball is Serious Business), but 40-something Iconochasm is lucky not too break his ankles playing basketball against teenagers.  I have a lot more bulk to move around these days, and slower reaction times with which to do it.  I would have much better odds of catching or deflecting such a bottle than 1. realizing what is happening, 2. anticipating where it's going, and 3. successfully moving my body from rest the 3' or so needed to clear the target area in the time it takes a thrown water bottle to travel 10'.


As a loosely related tangent, I wonder if the reason Rittenhouse was able to perform such remarkably rapid transitions between threat response and deescalation is precisely because he was a kid and had those 17yo peak gamer millisecond twitch reaction speeds.  First resource I found online suggests a 10-15% drop off between the late teens and the early 40's, which is less than I thought.




Not to mention, if you shoot me in the chest or something I'm 100% going to do my best to run you over even if that wasn't my intention before.




Hell yeah, brother.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Based on literally this thread, I think they would instead just decline to acknowledge that any such social media post existed.  If confronted with it, they would ignore the claim, or vanish and reappear elsewhere to continue making the exact same claims without updating on the new evidence to any degree.




And of course sometimes evidence comes out which is so overwhelming that the Left does stop doubling down and instead gives up -- not by conceding that they were wrong but instead by just quietly dropping the subject and pretending the whole incident never happened.




This is at least honest, and I don't hold it against anyone for bowing out of discussion of a Happening where their preferred side looks bad.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You're being overly charitable.  They are certainly not limited to what the evidence will permit.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I would certainly like to see the attempt made.