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2mo ago
accuse me of hypocrisy here
I'm heavily hinting at it, while offering you every reasonable opportunity to demonstrate that the accusation is inapplicable.
Needless to say, I shant be holding my breath, and absence of evidence is very much Bayesian evidence of absence.
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2mo ago
Can you name another time when you've been incensed over a 1-in-100,000 procedural error rate?
Can you name a government process or department with a lower error rate?
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2mo ago
because I find it quite doubtful that the median length of time that people have been living here illegally is 4 years or less
Why? Is there literally anything you're hanging this on aside from raw hope and vibes?
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2mo ago
Credibility doesn't come from nothing. The modern internet is absolutely filled with false flag shit. It's assuredly automated, even. "I'm a Trump voter, but I'm so mad at him about Current Thing that I wish I'd voted for Kamala, darn tootin" is practically an entire genre of reddit post. And this week's thread has multiple brand new accounts claiming that they've definitely been long-term principled civil libertarians.
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2mo ago
You can propose all sorts of scary scenarios you want where the president is required to wage nuclear war based on a court order for something seemingly trivial, but I'm not moved by them for the simple reason that such a system is vastly less scary than the one we're currently presumably operating under.
Ok, now imagine how the current situation looks to your outgroup, and remember that they're mostly real humans who are allowed to think the same sort of thing that you just did, right here.
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2mo ago
Human smuggling seems to be the better terminology. I'll use that one to describe this instead.
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2mo ago
Sorry, this is about the principle. Do you think the courts can generally demand the executive make specific foreign policy actions, requiring specific ends in direct contradiction to the logic in the legal decision upthread? Can you elaborate exactly what the limits of this judicial power are? Remember, we're all being DEEPLY CONCERNED about slippery slope precedents - can you show us exactly where the judges have explicitly claimed that they CANNOT order the executive to overthrow foreign governments? I mean, if they can order Trump to do this here, then there is NO LIMIT on them ordering him to do literally anything, no matter how insane and evil!
Right? That's how the arguments elsewhere in this thread have gone.
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2mo ago
Great. I'm sure you have a large backlog of posts making this same point at progressives, right? Are you familiar with the concept of an "isolated demand for rigor"?
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2mo ago
Speaking as likely the only person in this forum who has ever dug ditches alongside illegal immigrants, I would expect it to be much, much lower. If you've been here for 11 years and the best you've got is waiting outside Home Depot, you probably utterly suck.
And that's beside the point. The number of people who are estimated to have come in during the last 4 years is comparable to the total prior illegal population.
Do you think all of the previous ones dipped during the Biden administration?
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2mo ago
Have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone who has little-to-no English language skills about something? It's entirely possible the dude repeated a combination of sounds back at the officer without really understanding what he was saying. Or that he was knowingly admitting to skipping border checkpoints.
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2mo ago
Ah. My sympathies. I've been there. If anything, I think you're understating the magnitude of the problem.
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2mo ago
I'd buy it. But I'd also push-back that it was a one-way street and that conservatives had no agency in the matter. It's almost as if it would be convenient that academic institutions were one day able to be simply "deleted" for wrong-think.
The situation seems to model as a cooperate/defect situation. Leftists were able to gain a foothold precisely because enough of the old guard were swayed by arguments about academic freedom and the free exchange of ideas. And enough of those leftists do not return that consideration that they were able to slowly grind out their outgroup.
We've seen the same dynamic play out in a thousand venues, from forums to corporations.
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2mo ago
It was the first result when I searched. The incident is being reported elsewhere as well. If it's verified, are you going to adjust in favor of the Daily Caller being more reliable, and many other media sources engaging in deception by omission?
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2mo ago
Transporting 8 illegal aliens from Texas to Maryland in a way that seems suggestive of organization and planning. I think coyotes hiding people in the frames of vehicles to sneak them across the border is a reasonable use case of the term. Carpooling to the Home Depot parking lot, OTOH, is very much not. This case seems somewhere in the middle, probably a bit closer to the former.
Is there a better term you'd suggest instead?
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2mo ago
Maybe I am inclined to believe that those who seek truth for the sake of truth do tend to come out with a "liberal" bias.
Stick around, new kid. Time in this community will thoroughly disabuse you of that notion, presuming you can avoid the traditional leftwinger meltdown and flounce-out when you realize that other people are going to continue to be allowed to argue back.
I am curious, though, is your theory that the Long March Through Institutions was a concerted effort, with agents who collaborated and took specific actions? Or one that happened more "naturally" due to the perverse incentives of a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_education](liberal education)?
Prospiracy with significant conspiracy elements. Something like a third of professors openly admit they would refuse to approve of the hiring of a conservative, no matter how qualified. Iterate that attitude for the better part of a century and here we are.
The thing it's revealing is a familiarity with the concept of "isolated demand for rigor". For example, if this were a truly good faith position, I might expect ameliorating statements along the lines of "Missing one administrative step in 100,000 cases is actually very impressive. Even with this screw-up, this is vastly better than expected for ANY government action."
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2mo ago
Edit: so if there's already 2 in this tiny space, I'm guessing there are at least 10s of thousands of us.
Nah, this community is specifically a locus for principled civil libertarians - or at least it was before they started getting black-pilled by the isolated demands for civil principles. The presence of such people here is not indicative of their popularity in wider society.
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2mo ago
Neat. When are the courts going to clarify how much power they have to drive foreign policy like that?
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2mo ago
result of the due process he was entitled
What exactly does this mean to you? I feel like everyone arguing this is just treating "due process" as an incantation. The part of the process that was missed was that they were supposed to fill out an extra form before doing exactly what they did.
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2mo ago
The number of illegal immigrants in the US has stayed pretty constant over the past couple decades
Why do you think this is true? There was a huge spike in illegal and quasi-legal immigration during the Biden administration.
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2mo ago
You seem to have strange assumptions about people's state of mind when the first thing you think of when someone engages in PR to help return a family member from a notoriously violent prison to the country they were illegally deported from is that they are "chasing a fat legal payout" instead of maybe wanting to help out their family member who had an injustice done to them. Of course her children having quoted "disabilities" is further evidence for this somehow, alright.
Did you miss the details where the wife in question filed a restraining order against him for repeatedly beating her to the point of injury? That seems to have ended in dismissal when she didn't show for the final hearing, so maybe she was just playing games.
Apparently it is "my brain on legalism" to demand due process and rule-following from the authority that governs everyone's lives and controls untold power. The founders would be seizing in their graves.
"Brain on legalism" is a nice way to say "I think a lot of people are full of self-serving shit". Are you one of the three genuinely principled civil libertarians who is also routinely incensed at, e.g., Democrat governors blatantly ignoring court orders regarding the 2nd Amendment?
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2mo ago
If you read to the end of the linked article, he seemingly was released, except possibly for an unrelated drunk driving charge, the article gets a little vague there.
ICE should have flagged him at the border,
I'm hypothesizing that he came in the same way as his illegal friends and never stopped at a border checkpoint. I don't actually know who is responsible for dealing with a US citizen who has been hopping borders without bothering with any of that pesky visa/passport business. Google searching does seem to indicate ICE being involved in those investigations. Florida holding him for a reasonable time frame until ICE can question him about that seems like it would be germane to solving a potential visa/passport issue.
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2mo ago
Search for "Karmelo Anthony". The comments on his substantial GoFundMe are wild.
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2mo ago
Speak for yourself. I truly do not get the visceral disgust people experience from hearing other accents or languages.
It's not aimless disgust. It's frustration. Thick accents make communication difficult. They add friction to every aspect of an interaction. I don't dislike foreign-born doctors because I just think they're icky for no reason because I'm vanilla and lame. I dislike them because I have to strain every scrap of my ability to parse what the hell they're saying, and a misunderstanding might actually be a very big deal.
Imagine spending a few hours providing customer service for Karens who speak English at a roughly kindergarten level. Imagine spending fifteen minutes and using multiple devices with translators, to try to explain the difference between a square and a circle to a woman who just looks at you sadly, says "No comprendo...", and then goes back to asking for a square circle.
Nope. I don't find the actual error in question to be particularly meaningful. This dressing down to ignorant children who didn't do their homework sums up the state of discourse fairly well.
If you're going to say 1/5k is unacceptable, then I hope to see you advocating for burning down the entire government. The error rate for Medicaid payments seems to be something like 1 in 20. The Child Care & Development fund is bouncing between 9 and 13%. Apparently our own government can't even retire employees in a reasonably timely manner because almost 30% of the applications have errors
A majority of states are not processing food assistance applications on time and making too many payment errors, according to the federal government.
The IRS makes mistakes when taxing people less than 1% of the time... which is still 50 times worse than your "unacceptable" rate for "deporting people who were definitely supposed to be deported, but missing a step in the paperwork".
There's too many cites to bother linking them all, but I'm seeing false conviction rates ranging from 1-12%... including a purported 4% rate of executing innocent people that is in a paywalled National Geographic article I can only see a preview of.
Want to talk about drone strike error rates?
So, no. I'm not going to concede that a functionally irrelevant-to-outcome paperwork snafu happening in 1 in 5000 deportations is "unacceptable" in any meaningful way. That's actually wildly better than anything else I expect from our government and everyone who cares so, so, so deeply about processes apparently ought to be worshipping Tom Hooman and begging to put him in charge of other parts of the government, too.
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