Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
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Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Oh, that looks like obvious malicious clown garbage. He has a broken leg. Why is he in the hospital for over a month with a broken leg? Unless that is understating his injuty to a hilarious extent, a broken leg is a couple hours of outpatient care and then getting released. Obviously this is a ploy to evade deportation, which ICE was trying to counter with the surveilance, and which this midnight Biden appointee, Hispanic activist judge is trying to shut down on ideological grounds.
You're right. It is a trravesty that that woman is a federal judge, abusing her position to subvert the rule of law for her ethnic nationalism.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
We had this argument repeatedly during the "Maryland Dad" fiasco. The best example people could come up with for malfeasance was a missed piece of paperwork before quite properly deporting a human smuggling, wife-beating gang banger.
Napkin math suggests ICE is the most properly functioning government agency of all time. I'm honestly kind of shocked that there hasn't been any proper travesties.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Arresting people is always going to generate the possibility of "bad optics" if the media wants to portray it as bad.
This. If the media wanted to, they could run non-stop coverage of deranged leftists screaming at stone-faced ICE agents before assaulting the purported fascist stormtroopers. They could do wall-to-wall coverage of the attacks against feds, complete with interviews with crying wives and mothers.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Again, 2 million immigrants are gone in the last 9 months. Where price doubling?
It seems possible that there are simply so many illegal immigrants in the US that even herculean efforts at mass deportations will take years, e.g. enough time to gracefully offramp most industries.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
It's hard to gauge. Here's an article claiming that the raids have devastated the industry, but journalists/hate/insufficient/etc.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
You know what, I saw the admission to the other poster, and I always find myself liking and respecting people who do that.
Sorry for the heat.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
The quibble is that if Jose is willing to work on a farm in California for what are shit American wages but still a better deal than staying home, the progressive view is that allowing Jose to stay is not advocating against our own interests or wealth redistribution, it's Jose contributing his labor to the economy and getting paid.
Open border, a functioning economy, a robust welfare state. Pick two, and the welfare state is functionally non-negotiable. This version of the progressive take is simply a lie. They manifestly don't care if Jose works, and would rather shut down the government than accept a limitation on their ability to give him taxpayer money.
The conservative view seems to be that if we got rid of all the illegals farmers would pay more and Americans would do it, of which I am skeptical.
Or that it could just be automated, and that it's insane to import tens of millions of farm workers right as we're looking at an AI/robotics era-defining revolution.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Exactly. And if right-wing militias start making organized, "attempted murder" attacks on feds they dislike, say, the ATF, then you'll be just as bloodless about that, right? Hardly anything to bother about. Just some kids with signs. Why are you overeacting?
You know, I used to not really have a handle on what your politics were. But you've been coming in hot and fast and ignorant lately, with maximum charity one way and maximum hostility the other. Are you feeling strange new feelings, like molten-veined partisanship?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
"All basic staples are now twice as expensive,
So, between deportations and self-deportations, a purported 2 million illegal immigrants have left. What percent of the "twice as expensive" are we up to?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Democrats are justified in believing that this will select for bottom-feeder men with anger problems looking to get the high of having power over someone else. Given that most illegal immigrants are brown, I can see why democrats would believe that the average ICE agent is a raging racist too.
Aw, man. Remember when Democrats believed that the people fighting in Iraq were bottom-feeder 10% loser retards who just wanted to be racist and murder sand-n**gers?
You should explain why that psychotically uncharitable dehumanization of the outgroup belief was as justified as this one.
Then we'll all hold hands and agree that the progressives occupying their Long March positions in the regulatory agencies are just bottom-feeder pseudo-intellectual retards looking for the high of acting like Ayn Rand villains on account of their raging bigotries and inferiority complexes.
Right?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Nah, Trump has his true believers, but he catches shit from the right all the time. If he talked about killing Kamala's husband's kids, there would be a large blowback, and it would be a national media firestorm for a week.
The Michael Scott line he actually probably could get away with, because he would tell it as an actual joke, not the "haha only serious I fucking hatehatehate that fucker" "joke" which is the actual genesis of that line that was old long before Michael Scott said it.
Also, I hate The Office and I'm very glad that it seems to be mostly fading as a cultural touchstone. It was the worst of the NBC big sitcoms by a huge margin.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
A saw a twitter post responding to some leftwinger who was failing to comprehend why people cared that Charlie Kirk was murdered. The clapback went something like "Imagine this happened to someone you actually feel empathy for, like a black rapist".
A core part of the problem that @WhiningCoil was posting about downthread is that if the Democrat Party as a whole got the Biblical choice to spare my white/Jewish teenage daughter, or the non-white career criminal who would otherwise rape and kill her, I would bet they'd save the criminal. Maybe that's a false perspective based on their fringe. The odds are definitely not 10-0, but maybe it's below 5-5, maybe 2-8.
But with the Republicans it's 0-10, no matter the race or Islamicity of the criminal. Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, and some people have been openly reveling in cruelty for 5+ years.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
There are many video compilations arguing otherwise. I actually think it's at least partially causal - the less attractive women can get a septum piercing and a few other disfigurements and start openly hating men as a way of protecting the ego.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
I lowkey expected you to catch the reference there, but if you haven't read the Practical Guide to Evil, go do that. Best fantasy this century, strong contender for all time. There is a significant plotline that deals with that issue.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
This is essentially Adam Smith's argument for capitalism.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Which matters more, act or conviction?
Imagine a man who truly believes in doing good, but refuses to act for fear of personal consequences. What use was their conviction?
Imagine another who is utterly cynical and self-serving, but who performs an elaborate pantomime of do-gooding as a social manipulation tactic. Is good done any less?
What happens when the entire edifice of do-gooding is just cynical manipulation tactics lost in a purity spiral and stray idiot true-believing chaff?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
Do you have a second example? I keep seeing just that one.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
And yet there isn't a mass movement to remove stupid people from society.
Yes, there was. It was called "Eugenics" and "sterilize all the stupid people" was the American version of the movement. THey're the reason you can occasionally stumble across historical lines like "Thousands of people in X state were sterilized for feeblemindedness and being unfit". This was a popular political project, considered settled science, with broad institutional support.
But then they spent a chunk of the 30's bragging about how great it was that Mr. Hitler was finally enacting their ideas at scale in Europe (the European variant of eugenics generally focused on promoting more children among "the right sort"), and Western intelligencia is still reeling from the psychic scars of that endorsement. All that remains is grandfathered institutions like Planned Parenthood.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
My idealized solution is to try and keep up. I fully recognize that might not be a possibility.
I don't see any reason for optimism here. Digital intelligence built as such from the ground up will have an insurmountable advantage over scanned biological intelligence. It's like trying to build a horse-piloted mecha that can keep up with a car. If you actually want to optimize results, step 1 is ditching the horse.
In which case, yes. I'd rather Butlerian Jihad.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
I just encountered a business whose product is "AI renter harassment". Imagine a chatbot that pretends to be a person, and annoys your renters with frequent reminders that the rent is due, and then keeps hassling them for up to three months after move out!
Can't wait for the counter-offer, "AI creditor deflection".
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
My actual plan (modulo not dying, and having resources at my disposal) is closer to continuously upgrading my physical and cognitive capabilities so I can be independent. I don't want to have to rely on AGI to make my decisions or rely on charity/UBI.
I think this is the part that upsets me about the situation. I used to hope for this too, but that pretty heavily relies on a slow take-off. What happens when the friendly AI is simply better able to make your decisions for you? To manipulate you effortlessly? Or when you can't understand the upgrades in the first place, and have to trust the shuggoth that they work as claimed? You might not want to wirehead, but why do you think what you want will continue to matter? What happens when you can get one-shot by super-effective stimulus, like a chicken being hypnotized? Any takeoff faster than Accelerando probably renders us well obsolete long before we could adjust to the first generation of upgrades.
And that ties back to the "meaningful work" stuff. We're not just souls stuck in a limited body, and it would be neat if the souls could be transplanted to awesome robot bodies. The meat is what we are. The substrate is the substance. Your cognition 1.0 is dependent on the hormones and molecules and chemicals that exist in your brain. We are specific types of creatures designed to function in specific environments, and to seek specific goals. How much "upgrade" before we turn into those animals that can't breed in captivity because something about the unnatural environment has their instincts screaming? Again, it's one thing if we're slowly going through Accelerando, taking years to acclimate to each expansion and upgrade.
But fast takeoff, AGI 2027? That seems a lot more like "write your name on the Teslabot and then kill yourself" - as the good outcome. Maybe we can just VR ourselves back to a good place, live in permanent 1999, but why on earth would an AI overlord want to waste the resources? Your brain in a jar, at the mercy of a shuggoth that is infinitely smarter and more powerful than you, is the most total form of slavery that has ever been posited - and we would all of us be economically non-viable slaves.
You talk about writing a character only as smart as yourself, but that's keying into the thing that terrifies me and missing the point. What happens when "smarter than you" is table stakes? Imagine life from the perspective of a pet gerbil - perhaps vaguely aware that things are going on with the owners, but just fundamentally incapable of comprehending any of it, and certainly not of having any role or impact. Even Accelerando walked back from the precipice of the full, existential horror of it all. You don't want to write a story about human obsolescence? Bro, you're living in one.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
I was thinking about making a post on those ads. That's the only thing I'm seeing Sherril hit him on, that quote about raising taxes and energy prices, and that just seems as bizarre to me as the Fetterman-Oz Mirrorverse campaign. Especially when he has the much juicier quote from her about how your energy prices are going to go way up, but if you're a good person you'll pay it.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
That is an engineering problem. That is an artifact of current baseline human cognition and psychology. What sacrifices do you actually have the right to demand people to make, when there is no actual need for such sacrifices?
MBIC, in your own story you had to posit SAMSARA resulting in successful total legal abolition of too-advanced AI, aliens waging an extra-dimensional Butlerian Jihad, and widespread, spontaneous superpowers, including non-causal precognition just to carve a place for a human protagonist to matter in a setting where AI was a fully valid tech tree.
Do you really not see the concern? Do you want to be a permanent heroin wirehead?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2mo ago
nd it wasn't unions demanding vast floods of foreign labour and immigrants
Actual question, I genuinely have no idea: how much of the demand for foreign labor in Europe is driven by how hard it is to hire/fire natives, and how many benefits they get?
If I have the choice between a French guy who expects 6 weeks of vacation, 30 hour weeks plus lunch, brunch and coffee breaks, and who is basically impossible to fire if he's a problem on the one hand, or a Syrian indentured serf on the other...
They explicitly do in blue states. I tangentially interact with the process on a daily basis. And deeper than that, there's a thriving market in fraud and fake SSNs. Things like "free healthcare for illegals" are fucking budget items in California. NY and other states spent billions on free housing, free benefits and free money for illegal immigrants. This was widely covered. The relentless playing stupid about this is honestly kind of breathtaking and intellectually damning.
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