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Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2d ago
The poster I was responding to was specifically declaring to be unAmerican some Indian guys who wrote a blog post about SCOTUS minutiae in flawless English, and who another poster claimed to have met and argued about baseball with. The average immigrant is irrelevant to this argument, as he very specifically excluded a non-average one, implicitly asserting that this non-averageness does not matter to him.
There's a broader point to make here that deserves a top level.
(Incidentally, I think demanding +4SD for 130IQ etc. is excessive. The set of Indians who immigrate into the US is already biased towards the smarter, more looped-in with US culture set; the criteria you lay out are maybe +2.)
+2SD would get you to just the 130, with a 100 baseline, which is a fairly generous assumption AIUI. "Intelligible English" alone is another +2, and I'm sorry, but if you think otherwise then you are experiencing a powerful selection effect. Go try to have a five minute conversation with the kind of guys who own motels, or talk to random strangers in a grocery store.
Or take a summer job at a T-Mobile store in a diverse area.
You are going to have to contend with every white racist's problem, which is that the majority of the people you would like to be in your ingroup feels more kinship with the urbane Indian-American guy than with you. If we were entering a new golden era of free association and vibes-based citizenship, they would sooner team up with him to send you to Madagascar than with you to expel him. I feel like the abstract schema, where A and B say "I consent" to each other while C is off to the side seething at B like "I don't, you should be with me instead", occurs fairly frequently in cuckoldry memes.
The problem is that this is an extremely selected comparison, and it's kind of embarrassing that our elite capital folks are missing the point.
I've written posts complaining about personal experiences with Indian immigrants - let me give a different example. The professor I had most often (3 classes) in college was an older Indian guy who taught physics. One of my favorite memories of him was when he was covering a unit on optics, and he had projected on the board an illustrative image, which he off-handedly mentioned was the cover art to his favorite album.
Yes, it was exactly what everyone is thinking.
We teen white kids had a great moment of fun about it. "Holy shit, did you guys know Indians could be Boomers, too?"
I liked that professor. He was a good dude, and he was good to me. I'll bet the Yale professor on Con law is in a similar boat.
Cool.
So, what about the other 99.99%?
Because the average immigrant is absolutely not an urbane, 130+ IQ dude with excellent English and a witty command of prestige television references. That's actually about 4ish SD above average. The experience of the average American dealing with the average immigrant is more like spending 10 minutes struggling to explain the difference between a square and a circle to someone with English (and apparent reasoning, though the linguistic issue is likely severely amplifying that) skills on the level of a three year old, while they are acting like an entitled asshole.
There was a post on the old place, years ago, and I can't quite remember who it was. GeneralMcCusker, or McJuncket, or however those names were spelled, I think. Anyway, the post described the enlightening experience of working in a T-Mobile store in a bad diverse part of town. And the post basically suggested that a similar life experience ought to be a requirement for having meaningful opinions about the communities of people involved.
I think a lot of this discourse is driven by people who never see what everyone else is complaining about, not in spite of, but precisely because they are extremely high functioning individuals of means who have organized their lives so as to never have to deal with the downsides of their tolerant and high-minded policies.
I know several such people IRL. Friends and family. Great people. I truly love them.
But on this sort of topic, all I can ever think is "Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying."
For comparison, imagine if we dumped an entire American trailer park into a small town in a foreign country. And when the locals objected and complained, the entire upper class said "What are you losers talking about? The Americans are amazing. You're just jealous because they're better than you." And then the only American they've ever met is FiveHourMarathon. Just so when everyone here is acting like their mental model of an immigrant is self_made_human.
We could halt all immigration and fully denaturalize and deport the bottom 90% of immigrants, and it's likely that most Westerners who actually post to this forum would barely notice.
But the people dealing with them in parks and the subways and retail establishments and getting undercut by people's who market niche is ignoring labor laws most certainly would.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
2d ago
I think there's value in specifying that it's two patties stacked, instead of one giant one.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3d ago
I always thought it was strange that McDonald's has an item called a "double quarter pounder."
Isn't that two patties that each weigh a quarter pound?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3d ago
Testosterone makes men feel less conformist and agreeable. You would likely have a massive problem with defections.
And Piker believes every word that comes out of his mouth. It's just that those words are all narcissistic retard slop.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3d ago
Do a run of those stickers and slap them over the whiney defensive ones, not your own car.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
3d ago
He's hot. Also, rap slang objectifying women has metastasized to the point where high school white girls are using it to describe men.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
4d ago
I put it to the teen daughter, and the response was "Yeah, he's a baddie."
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
4d ago
That's not a good reason to be soft on Russia too, they are our enemy.
That was not the American consensus position 14 years ago. It became a bit sketchy after Russian invaded Crimea in 2013, but no one wanted to go too hard on that because it was embarrassing to Barak Obama and Hilary Clinton, who were not just "soft" on Russia, but far softer than Trump has been.
"Trump kisses up to Putin" is actually just a retarded, self-serving lie, perpetrated by bad actors who were driven insane by TDS. He says nice things sometimes when he wants something from people, just like he does to Kim Jong Un and Zohran Mamdani, and other times he says mean things. And in the real world, Putin consistently launches invasions when verbally harsh, limp Democrats are in power, and sits in his lane when Trump is.
Again, as someone who does know the history here, it's hard to take your position as anything other than an isolated demand for standards, fueled by ignorance.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
4d ago
Trump wrote a book on the tactic and has spent 50 years living by the motto of "Make an insane starting demand and then allow them to talk you back to merely what you originally wanted". Unfortunately, that doesn't scratch the Orange man dumb dumb poopy head itch for people who can't model other minds.
Hence, the idiotic TACO meme.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
4d ago
Everything dooms the Republicans in the midterms.
That's not analysis. It's barely even sarcastic. I feel like every month there's 1-2 things that DOOM REPUBLICANS IN THE MIDTERMS and then the actual polling needle barely budges.
Maybe everything is just fully too stupid for mere "events" to make anyone update.
There's not really way to ask this without sounding condescending, but are you old enough to remember the Obama administration?
Because if you want to talk about not getting that Russia is THE ENEMY, then the conversation has to begin with Mitt Romney calling Russia our biggest foe, and Obama's turn-it-around re-election zinger specifically making fun of him for it.
Helpfully, I already linked the video.
Part of that was driven by the Russian Reset, a showy, futile, embarrassingly stupid effort at rapprochement made by the Obama administration towards Russia (much like their efforts towards Iran). Team Obama thought it was cringe and old-fashioned to still be mad at Russia just for being a genocidal communist tyranny. And Hilary let them personally enrich her to the tune of tens of millions donated to the Clinton Foundation and generous speaking fees to Bill, while she signed off on the things like the Russian purchase of a major uranium company.
In 2014 the idea that "Russia hates the US, the west, and democracy" was considered laughable neocon boomer anti-communist retard shit.
The reason Democrats hate Russia with the fire of a thousand suns is because they needed a scapegoat for Hilary losing in 2016, even if the efforts to blame Russia were idiotic and laughable. Putin obviously wanted Hilary to win, because he'd already bought her and knew how to fold her like a cheap table. Meanwhile, Trump occasionally says nice things, and also threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin invades Ukraine.
Didn't realize they were the current president and were cozying up to Putin right now.
It's about consistency. Do you actually think the Russians are the villains of the era? Then please, show your homework essay on how insane and evil it was that Trump's predecessor and rivals were so cozy with Putin.
Russia is an enemy nation that hates the US, the west, and democracy. They have been our opposition for decades and decades.
The 1980's called. They want their foreign policy back.
Sorry, Cat, but table stakes for this conversation is the kind of scathing, molten ranting at Obama and Hilary Clinton that'll get you fired, bankrupted and jailed when Democrats retake control and implement Project 2029.
Sans the ante up, this is just TDS from the peanut gallery.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
7d ago
I think you're heavily overselling the spread. I actually do live in a small town, and with travel sports I see a bunch of the others in the area. A mom having a tattoo or three is no longer outrageous, sure, but not the default, they're in reasonably concealable locations, and she mostly doesn't have any facial piercings. The vast, vast majority have no visible "cultural degeneracy" markers at all.
Arm tats on dads are a bit more common.
I've never had a diner waitress who looked like a leftist. I mean, they exist, but it's like the white girl with dreads at the smoke shop. The attendants at one particular amusement park were very disproportionately gender-ambiguous they/thems.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
7d ago
At no point in his entire life did he for a second thing about " A man is a provider. A man is skilled at hard things. A man ...",
I would suspect that to the extent this is true, it's because it was so utterly self-evident that talking about it would seem silly. Those old guys absolutely had strong beliefs about what makes a man a good man, or a woman a good woman, and they definitely knew and believed that those were separate categories. What they didn't have was a bunch of autistic or naval-gazing Discourse about it.
None of these men would be considered particularly manly by the degenerates in the manosphere,
This is because the manosphere types are operating outside the paradigm of a community, so they have to hyperfocus on visually obvious elements. I've raised the topic before, and it seems relatively rare for the posters here to have opportunities to be helpful in their communities. Many are atomized, isolated.
Bluntly, if the girls never get to see you carrying 8 chairs at a time back to storage after church, then you might need to signal strength extra super hard by shallower metrics.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
Have you considered staring at a screen all weekend to keep consistent?
More seriously, have you played around with lighting types, e.g. blue light filter?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
"Man" is a useful Schelling point for mentally organizing virtuous traits linked to systematizing and testosterone. Plenty of them would still be useful (critical even!) on a desert island.
I have seen the claim that anyone in the sphere with a shred of sense or self-respect refused the offer to interview.
Not entirely sure who such people might be, tbh.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
This creates an inherently muddled message to men. "DON'T listen to the siren song of red pill grifters, DON'T give in to misogyny, DON'T become a parody of masculinity. That's VERY BAD."
"Okay okay, but what should I do instead?"
"Fuck you, figure it out yourself or die alone."
The more common case is deliberately bad advice as a form of sabotage.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
No, nobody in America ever likes any policy whatsoever if you phrase it negatively and prompt them with only the downsides.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
Empire was part of the broader Belt and Road Initiative, which was basically corporatist colonialism without any noblisse oblige. I namedropped it because I figured people might be more familiar with it. It's just a prompt.
Let's say the US massively pulls back from it's efforts stabilizing the world. What do you think fills the void, and why would it be better?
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
I mean... during my lifetime, no one had a more destabilizing effect on the world in general, and the Middle East in particular than the United States.
During your lifetime, the US has also been the glue that holds the world together. We "destabilize" within the paradigm that we are the source of all stability.
But ok, I have some sympathy with the notion that the rest of the world doesn't deserve the effort. How do you think that would go? Take a look at the Belt and Road, Empire of Dust, the fishing fleets, and explain why you think Pax China will be better.
Iconochasm
All post-temple whore technology is gay.
9d ago
I think a lot depends on what you think "this kind of war" is,
Very much this. The shit they had guys like JTarrou doing in Iraq, the room to room sweeping with a random mix of civilians, fighters, and suicide bombers, where they had to pretend that everyone they met was friendly until they were being bombed or shot at? With RoE that seem almost designed to drive people insane or get them killed? Driven by the delusional belief that the only thing separating Uday Hussein from Will Stancil was a bit of pocket change and a lecture on queer puppet shows?
Yeah, the politicians calling for that can get fragged.
Bombing assholes into the Stone Age?
Talking about exactly that in the context of specifically Iran is actually where the we are gonna do things to you that have never been done before line comes from.
The current actions are perhaps on the upper side of expectations, but Trump was never a dove. He just isn't a medal-farming, nation-building retard.
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10d ago
There are several justifications for this war that strike me as plausible, but I have no idea which ones (if any) are load-bearing among supporters e.g.
"Support" is a strong word. I've not sworn my life and honor to the Plannisters, but I've certainly learned not to bet against them. There's a lot of room for potential upside here, between positioning and maneuvering against China, the Middle East, knocking out a Russian ally, scaring and embarrassing our "allies", testing out next-gen combat, the fact that Iran just generally totally fucking sucks and has been calling for the death of my people for half a century, etc. It's not stuff I was chomping at the bit for, but I can see the logic, but it costs me little to wait and see if the administration can bring it home. If they can, it would be a hell of a coup, a lightsaber to a Gordian knot.
And maybe they can't. But frankly, there isn't a single politician in America I'd give better odds to than Donald Trump.
And on a more cold, personal level: I've been saying for decades that we should have just flattened every government building in Afghanistan and littered the country with pamphlets in every goat-herder language known to our anthropologists saying "If your government still offends us, we're just going to come back and do it again and again, so regularly you can plant your crops by the sight of our bombers smiting you. Repent or die. - Sincerely, the Fist of God (AKA: America)."
So I'm kind of curious to test the "can't do Islamic regime change by air power" hypothesis.
Is it? I know oil prices help, but weren't they reliant on Iran for drone parts?
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