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				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Only one of those is even pretending to be an example.  So, in the 700k deportations they did last year, ICE briefly detained a single citizen who was on a work crew with a bunch of other Hispanic guys who totally were illegal?


Did the anti-ICE folks finally accept that "guy who was working security on the weed farm that used illegal minors as child slaves" wasn't the most compelling case?


Seriously, if this is the best you have to offer then ICE is doing a spectacular job.


BTW,




To be clear, apparent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion




You're welcome.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


violate the civil rights of citizens by detaining them on no grounds beyond their skin color..




Can you name a single time this happened?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I believe that you're an aged-but-empty account that just posted a pparagraph that had incendiary flame-bait for both sides of the American political spectrum.


OTOH, you're throwing off clear ESL flags, so maybe you just genuinely didn't know how Americans would take that.  My sincere apologies for accusing you of being a mildly clever member of my culture.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
RW Twitter has been having fun comparing this to how the Central Americans might have felt when Spaniards showed up with ships, steel, horses and guns.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
And before that, casually referring to the "totally intentional assassination".  This is old school trolling, the black-hearted darkness of the Elder Time, back when men just woke up and chose violence.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The "front page" looks different, but I did actually overlook one.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's a tradition from two locations ago (We used to be /r/themotte on reddit, and before that, we were on /r/ssc where Scott asked us to do a CW megathread to not plaster the front 5 pages of his subreddit with political arguments). We keep because it functions as a deliberate barrier to entry that wards off people who are uncomfortable with million word walls of text.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Go to youtube and scroll down the front page until you get to the section that suggests news clips even though you never watch the news on youtube.  For me, 3/4 are MN shooting (the other one is Trump talking about Cuba).  Looking at the general news tab, the MN shooting is at least a plurality if not a majority of suggested videos.


OTOH, apparently the NYT has decided that this story is bad for their interests and begun memory-holing it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I tend to disagree with this, at least in some situations. For example, when the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax took place, a lot of Duke professors and students publicly condemned the men who had been falsely accused. A few national newspapers jumped on the bandwagon. In my view a public apology and some soul-searching was in order.




Absolutely.  I meant more any faculty who saw the situation, intuited where it truly ended up, and chose to remain silent.  If you've already taken a strong stance, then yeah, you need to openly conform to reality if you want to retain any respect.


But if someone chooses not to engage with a situation in the first place, I'm not going to hold it against them.  Every position that everyone holds has at least some evidence against it, or example that makes them look bad.  You don't have to go to the mats, die with the lie, go all in for every single one.  You can just look at your cards and fold the hand.  There's a whole lot of poker left.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


How full is the water bottle? And it's a normal person throwing it with a predictable windup or it's just magically headed directly towards my center of mass and it's a question of reflexes to get out of the way? I feel like a childhood of playing suicide (apparently called butts up in the US of A) gives me pretty good odds.




Normal, full 20oz water bottle thrown by a reasonably fit and competent adult man.  Sure, 10yo Iconochasm would have done a Suicide Slide on concrete (because dodgeball is Serious Business), but 40-something Iconochasm is lucky not too break his ankles playing basketball against teenagers.  I have a lot more bulk to move around these days, and slower reaction times with which to do it.  I would have much better odds of catching or deflecting such a bottle than 1. realizing what is happening, 2. anticipating where it's going, and 3. successfully moving my body from rest the 3' or so needed to clear the target area in the time it takes a thrown water bottle to travel 10'.


As a loosely related tangent, I wonder if the reason Rittenhouse was able to perform such remarkably rapid transitions between threat response and deescalation is precisely because he was a kid and had those 17yo peak gamer millisecond twitch reaction speeds.  First resource I found online suggests a 10-15% drop off between the late teens and the early 40's, which is less than I thought.




Not to mention, if you shoot me in the chest or something I'm 100% going to do my best to run you over even if that wasn't my intention before.




Hell yeah, brother.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Based on literally this thread, I think they would instead just decline to acknowledge that any such social media post existed.  If confronted with it, they would ignore the claim, or vanish and reappear elsewhere to continue making the exact same claims without updating on the new evidence to any degree.




And of course sometimes evidence comes out which is so overwhelming that the Left does stop doubling down and instead gives up -- not by conceding that they were wrong but instead by just quietly dropping the subject and pretending the whole incident never happened.




This is at least honest, and I don't hold it against anyone for bowing out of discussion of a Happening where their preferred side looks bad.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You're being overly charitable.  They are certainly not limited to what the evidence will permit.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I would certainly like to see the attempt made.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Main Character Syndrome.  Obviously, bad things only happen to other people.  I have plot armor!


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Is it accurate to the situation on the ground, in either case?




No.  Babbit was trying to pry apart a shut door that someone else had already partially broken and having little success because she was a relatively small woman.  There were numerous other armed officers around who didn't seem to consider her a particular threat.  She might have been able to get through and then post a threat to someone, but it probably wasn't happening in the next 30 seconds.  The officer who shot her had a history of bad decisions.  It's much closer to a "cop just felt like he could get away with murdering a white bitch" situation than the comparable, valence-flipped situation where left-wing psychics intuit that the officer had murderous intent.


OTOH, she was part of a group that had stormed the building and had a lot of threatening rhetoric.  If shooting her was good for that reason, then all the J6 protestors should have been killed, along with most left-wing protestors over the last 10 years.


Conversely, Good gunned the engine on her car while pointed at an ICE agent who was just a couple feet away.  She did turn away from him, but if he had been a bit slower to get aside, or if she had turned the wheel just a few degrees less to the side then she could have very easily run him over and killed him.


One of those woman very much appeared to be a deadly threat to another person within the next second, and the other could plausible have posed a threat in a minute or two, presuming she managed to break down a door with her bare hands, to whatever extent you think an unarmed woman is a threat.  For that last point, generally speaking, leftwingers usually argue that the threat of an unarmed woman to a male cop is "no threat at all, he should just manually restrain her, and also opening a door shouldn't be a death sentence!"


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


If you think one was an innocent martyr and the other got what she deserved, I would really like to hear the arguments for that.




We've been doing that for days, and I believe you specifically mentioned in a subthread yesterday that you didn't care to follow closely because it was tiresome or some such thing, which I interpreted as "This looks bad for the side I like aesthetically and I want plausible deniability that the MAGAts were right".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Bare minimal respect for democracy, the law, and all norms and standards of our shared civil society.  He behavior was a more central example of domestic terrorism than it was sitting in the front of a bus.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"Somali's aren't a cohesive block, they're actually 2 cohesive blocks that are using American Democrat politics as a proxy for their eternal clan war" is maybe not so much of a reassuring counterargument.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for January 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Actually perfect example.  Exactly the kind of guy who would find himself hosting a classic book club, while being so generally ignorant that he couldn't fake up "Moby Dick is an allegory for obsession and revenge".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Friday Fun Thread for January 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I recall one that featured an unprepared book club hostess "cunningly" asking an LLM just before the guests arrived to "suggest themes for discussion for the book Moby Dick".


What level of pretentious sub-midwit is that marketing towards?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Why?   Right-wingers dislike those governments, and would love to see them lose popular support, legitimacy, and power.


Same reason left-wingers get excited about domestic civil disruption.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


... Jews?




FWIW, I first saw that quote a few weeks ago and my immediate thought was "Holy shit, I know exactly what he's talking about!  I've had that exact same experience a thousand times!  I'd just call the person responsible a leftist instead of a Jew."


Given historical realities, it's quite possible that the specific people he's referring to (presuming such exist) happened to be both.


But that pattern... it's like God of the Gaps on steroids, run by a person with absolutely no concern for internal consistency or intellectual honor/shame.  It's the purest essence of Arguments as Soldiers, the final form of "There's no such thing as objective truth, just competing power narratives".  Maybe it shows up on the right too, and I don't argue with them enough these days to see it.  But in all my years of internet atheisting and libertarding I don't think I ever encountered a fundie or neocon who went full... whatever that is.


And it is basically a particularly vicious form of nerd sniping against the kind of systematizing autists who frequent this place.  But it's not actually against the rules.  And it's effective, to an extent, because there's no real defense against it except to go full @gattsuru "He's an exhaustive list of every time this was explained to you and you failed to rebut the fact claims in any way."


I don't have any useful suggestions for wrangling this as a moderator (except to unchain The Gattsuru).  Good luck, I guess.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Ironically, that was one of the least heated posts I made in that 24hr span.  My mood was tongue-in-cheek joking.  "Cops planted that SUV" sounds like a Gun Rack line.  Ah well, text and tone, name a less iconic duo.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


But I thought if anyone would be sympathetic towards a stand your ground approach, it would be Republicans.




The counterpoint is that there were other armed officers nearby, and the only one who thought Babbit deserved a new hole was a known fuck-up retard who should have been off the force years ago.  Guy was actually already famous for the "Capitol police officer left his gun on a urinal" story.  He's actually in the news again as of a few days ago because his side gig is a government-subsidized daycare.


L.M.A.O.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Someone might say, “were I the officer I would have used my split second reaction time to get out of the way”.




I predict that there's maybe four people on this forum who could dodge a thrown water bottle from 10 feet away.  "Just dodge the car bro" is Marvel movie thinking.