KingOfTheBailey
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KingOfTheBailey
28d ago
The problems are indeed systemic but I disagree that uplifting individuals is not worth trying. One: I think the relationship market just isn't clearing for a lot of heterosexual men and women. It is not a waste to help any individual man or woman see the problems clearly and learn how they can improve themselves and their partner selection. I think there are a lot of people whose current offer to the relationship market is "not acceptable" because they're unhealthy or insipid or have the women on a pedestal or want a bro-friend-with-tits to play vidya and screw occasionally or think that a 6-6-6 man is going to fall into her life or that being a bitch is attractive or. Getting those people in shape and having productive dates before they burn out and join MGTOW or buy a dozen cats is not zero sum. Two: at the very least if you are one source of truth in a world of lies you can help people without them having to waste years. Third: none of us are going to get access to the magic book that lets us rewrite society's scripts, but we might be able to help the lives of some of the people we touch (if they're ready to hear it).
Breast cancer gets so much more funding because everyone cares about women. This is also one factor influencing why women's social movements start so easily: pretty much everyone (normal, minus the lizardmen constant) loves and cares for women! (This is one reason I never bought the "patriarchal oppressor" framing — why do you think men call precious things like their cars "she"? Because they love women!) Other factors include structural support at all levels of society (from special departments at companies to special ministries in government) and an activist class that runs like a well-oiled machine which can be engaged to support women as well as other causes de jour.
You could argue that this is downstream of instinctual/cultural small-group behavior and it probably is.
KingOfTheBailey
28d ago
KingOfTheBailey
28d ago
We don't choose who we're attracted to, but we do choose how to act on it. Being a floozy should be just as shameful as being a cad.
One really big problem is that it's hard to offer men a compelling alternative to grifters like Tate, who promise a buffet of pussy, fast cars, and shiny toys. The role of "respected family patriarch" is off the table for obvious reasons, but we could at the very least stop lying to young men and maybe it'd stop them from turning to the grifters. Yes, being strong and competent will help. Almost no women will give you a direct signal of interest unless you're extremely attractive or she's extremely keen on you, so learn the subtle ones. Hit the gym. Learn to dance. Broaden your interests. Do interesting things. Be interesting. Learn to talk about it. Despite all the culture warring, men are still generally expected to be extremely agentic, so teaching them how to be more attractive should pay dividends.
Actually, we should teach both boys and girls how to partner dance so they can spend more time in each other's personal space without freaking out. Hell, they might even like it and decide they like each other.
I know it's not practical to implement, but we do need to teach the girls too. Men need to initiate, that's just the way it is, but then women then have the responsibility of turning men down graciously if they're being courted in good faith. I remember being an awkward teenager and once asking a stunningly beautiful waitress for her number. She turned me down, saying something like "I have a boyfriend, but that took balls. Girls like that." It was an unambiguous but positive rejection, and didn't cost her anything.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
Yes. By the end of it, when I'd managed to pull my head out of my ass and shake off the harmful memes from both the feminists and the redpillers. Before I started dating the girl who I'm hopefully going to marry, my final dates were "that was a good time, you're really interesting but you're not for me. I genuinely wish you the best."
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
So am I claiming that the feminist war on “nice guys” is totally uncorrelated with the existence of the manosphere?
No. I’m saying the causal arrow goes the opposite direction from the one B’s suggesting. As usual with gender issues, this can be best explained through a story from ancient Chinese military history.
Chen Sheng was an officer serving the Qin Dynasty, famous for their draconian punishments. He was supposed to lead his army to a rendezvous point, but he got delayed by heavy rains and it became clear he was going to arrive late. The way I always hear the story told is this:
Chen turns to his friend Wu Guang and asks “What’s the penalty for being late?”
“Death,” says Wu.
“And what’s the penalty for rebellion?”
“Death,” says Wu.
“Well then…” says Chen Sheng.
And thus began the famous Dazexiang Uprising, which caused thousands of deaths and helped usher in a period of instability and chaos that resulted in the fall of the Qin Dynasty three years later.
The moral of the story is that if you are maximally mean to innocent people, then eventually bad things will happen to you. First, because you have no room to punish people any more for actually hurting you. Second, because people will figure if they’re doomed anyway, they can at least get the consolation of feeling like they’re doing you some damage on their way down.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
I wonder what the downstream effects will be of having all this wrongthink going into the training corpuses of these bots?
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
However, the demand that other people refer to you with a specific designation is not really a natural right, and in fact, suppressing or compelling the speech of others is a violation of other people's rights to free speech.
And these are exactly the rights that the trans lobby is asking from legislatures, community groups, and everywhere else. The invented right to compel speech from others regardless of their interlocutors' right to free speech, and the right to force themselves into women-only spaces (including but not limited to sporting teams, change rooms, lesbian communities) over women's right to freedom of association.
In Australia, the Lesbian Action Group (a gender-critical feminist-separatist organization) is currently in the Federal Court against the Australian Human Rights Commission, appealing the AHRC's decision to deny LAG an exemption under the Sex Discrimination Act that LAG sought, to be able to hold women-only events.
The more this has gone on, the more I think the evidence points toward the activist vanguard of the trans lobby being mostly autogynephilic men for whom the primary source of "euphoria" is an ongoing need for active validation from outside that "yes, you are a real woman". Whether this is from physically intimidating smaller women into silence, getting the state involved (example: Jonathan Yaniv and his "wax my ladyballs" crusade), or participating in (and often dominating) women-only community groups and sports.
Under this lens, the fact that the licence says M and not F is a reminder, constantly carried in that person's wallet, that the validation is incomplete. That this is intolerable to that person should be obvious.
Why the quotes around biological reproductive system? Are biological reproductive systems not a well-defined, scientifically-grounded concept?
It seems obvious to me, given how well you picked apart the "masterclass in lying" sentence above it. The author is doing motte-and-bailey with punctuation: it's scare-quoted in the hope that the reader learns to flinch away from it as a fnord, but defensible as a direct quote from the regulation or statute.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
bemoaning that the NHL is 44% Republican
Reminds me of that ad about female homelessness ("1 in 4 homeless are women" — presumably the others are sexless automatons). Here, there's a good chance some of them are unregistered so it's not going to be 56:44 D:R split, but still. A very strong message of "you aren't allowed to have anything of your own" (or step 3 of the "you do not fit in here" cycle).
It’s been terrible to watch patriotism and sports alike both claimed and weaponized by the right. Pride in one’s nation shouldn’t inherently be tied to one political movement
Astounding that this is said so unironically after all the efforts to move sports under the rainbow flag, e.g. the Football is Gay campaign, the recent brouhaha over the superbowl, the Last Supper in Drag at the Paris Olympics, ....
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
Guys at the bottom also have reason to defect, but rarely the capacity.
The story of Henry resonated with a lot of readers of Radicalizing the Romanceless, so I am not certain that this is the case. The top and bottom seem capable of defection for different reasons but the middle of the hierarchy get made into chumps.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
Perhaps they were giving a Straussian hint.
Extremely unlikely, IMHO.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
Don't forget Norwegian Reggaeton!
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
We also know that Brianna Wu manufactured at least some of the "hate", because GG caught Wu forgetting to switch to a sockpuppet on the Steam forums.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
Men who are not attractive or useful certainly stop being read as "people" and fade into the background.
KingOfTheBailey
1mo ago
But also, yes, it's just a very convenient aesthetic. They can stay at home in their parents house, talking to their friends on discord, and apply some $5 hair dye or wear a $20 cat ear headset, and instantly they're part of it. No need to buy expensive concert tickets, or name-brand clothes, or a racing car, or cocaine or anything like that.
Reminds me of the discussions about vsco a couple of years ago. Identity made cheaper and easier to purchase than ever before.
KingOfTheBailey
2mo ago
KingOfTheBailey
2mo ago
The link in my post seems to agree:
While some comparisons with Red Dawn can be made, there are some significant differences to the story, such as its focus on Australia, character development and the more realistic story of young people surviving in a war zone. I always felt that the idea that Australia, with its relatively small population and relative isolation from Europe and America, could be invaded and completely conquered in such a short period is a lot more realistic than similar events occurring in America.
KingOfTheBailey
2mo ago
Don't know about global penetration, but John Marsden's Tomorrow Series was pretty big in Australian schools. There was enough of a gap between installments that people got hyped for the new ones but I doubt it was anywhere near as big as Harry Potter. Also AFAICT it didn't really make much of a dent outside Australia and maybe New Zealand.
KingOfTheBailey
2mo ago
no one outside of comics fans recognised
Didn't he get a run in one of those 90's animated shows?
KingOfTheBailey
3mo ago
alphaize the betas vs. betaize the alphas
C.S. Lewis addresses a similar dilemma in The Necessity of Chivalry:
The medieval ideal brought together two things which have no natural tendency to gravitate towards one another. It brought them together for that very reason. It taught humility and forbearance to the great warrior because everyone knew by experience how much he usually needed that lesson. It demanded valour of the urbane and modest man because everyone knew that he was as likely as not to be a milksop.
What, then, is the ideal that can bring both types of incomplete men together?
KingOfTheBailey
3mo ago
Currently I'm reading an excellent memoir by a bisexual, Jewish, female software engineer, and you get none of the drivel that would be put to the page today.
Can you name it? This sounds interesting.
KingOfTheBailey
3mo ago
The popularity of Replika et al makes me worry your final claim is less secure than you might think.
KingOfTheBailey
3mo ago
I think being mentally off is the cause of both the systems engineering skill and the trans.
KingOfTheBailey
3mo ago
If most women out-earn men, and women have a well-documented desire to only date men who earn more than them, how do we expect anyone to form relationships and start families?
KingOfTheBailey
3mo ago
Are they, though? It seems like Rust has more of 'em than many other languages and they're at every level from solo projects to people involved with the foundation.
Har har, very good.
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