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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j1ye6n30no
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Tragic end.
I feel bad for the dude - honestly a hearty laugh is all I want when people violate social norms like this and show us how frankly evil our institutions can be.
Sure I can blame the dude for every lie told but it only permeates my life several levels deep … the association of someone like Arday and my life only really touches when the walks start crumbling down.
What gets me mad is the institutions.
It’s their fault! Every step of the way someone, anyone, could have stepped in and stopped folly.
But things snowball and here we are.
I don’t even know what I’m supposed to learn from this, and I don’t know how I can help make the world a better place than I left it. People used to change the world I feel like, and I’m only changing the people around me … which is something!
I’m 100% reading the biography about this.
Tragic, and @faceh's sign needs a lot more tapping. The demand for diversity exceeds its supply, with awful consequence.
I'm reminded of the casting of Domino in Deadpool 2 (2018). In the comics, an image search shows her on covers in a variety of pale tones ranging from Caucasian-white to body-paint-white. The movie cast a woman with mixed German/African-American ancestry and gave her a big Afro. Then, they had to find a stunt double and tried to match the actress's sex and ethnicity. They went with Joi Harris, a motorcycle racer with no previous stunt experience. Domino's Afro meant Joi was performing stunts without a helmet, and during a take she lost control of the bike, was thrown through a plate glass window, and died.
Uh, Domino was well-cast, that actress has good physical presence and doesn't, to my knowledge, race-bait.
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What does an action movie character not wearing a helmet (quite common) have to do with their haircut?
I have a feeling you meant to say "the stunt double was a DEI hire" but then the Afro remark doesn't seem to fit.
I'm assuming the Afro doesn't fit into a helmet/the point of casting the woman was more for the hairstyle than her stunt ability and experience
I'm assuming being a superhero movie character had more to do with not wearing a helmet than having an Afro (it's hair, it can fit into a helmet if you want one), and that casting a stunt double had more to do with her ethnicity than hairstyle.
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