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Although I have no idea what they are doing at night that would so disrupt their sleep, light is expensive.
Edit - I guess threshing, shouldn't skim so much.
Spookykou
8hr ago
It doesn't need any difference between the labor pools. America has 1000 great workers (toy example), India has 3 times the population, same quality labor pool, so they have 3000 great workers (TOY EXAMPLE), then, assuming America can actually find a need for, say, 2000 great workers, then the only way we could fill those jobs is by importing great workers.
I don't agree with this and think the high-skill immigration argument is 99% fake, but the argument works even if the labor pools are exactly the same.
They even work if the labor pools are very different and the foreign country is way worse. Say the top 10% of American workers is the same as the top 1% of Indian workers, the US is still operating with a fundamentally limited pool of around 20 million top 10% workers, if we need/want more than that, we can import them from the 9 million top 1% of Indian workers.
Spookykou
8hr ago
I thought that the hard working life of peasants was a bit overblown, that they would take long breaks, day drink, and get about half the year off. Based of vague half remembered scholarship, maybe Juliet Schor?
Spookykou
8hr ago
I wonder with life satisfaction if the USA might be weird in terms of age cohorts, where old people are happy and young people are unhappy. A young person in another country with a more even distribution might then find that their fellow young people seem more satisfied. Total speculation on my part though.
Spookykou
9hr ago
I've eaten abroad, in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Taipei, Beijing, Stockholm, Paris, Berlin, London, and quite a few other smaller cities in the respective countries listed. From home cooking to street vendors to Michelin-star restaurants, American food is great.
China was the big standout, with a very strange food culture. Every other restaurant has the exact same menu, and it was also the only place where I felt food quality was noticeably worse, especially the meat. Other than that, the big difference is that everyone else makes sugar-free desserts. I think the very light use of sugar in desserts and baking is probably the single biggest culinary divide between the U.S. and the rest of the world.
It is also always strange when I see discussions like this, because cuisine is so global now. It feels like something straight out of a time capsule from 30 years ago, and even then the person expressing it was visiting Illinois or something. That one restaurant that made up half the restaurants in Beijing, we have them here in the U.S. as well, and have for years. You might have to get a table at the back of an Asian market, but it is the exact same food, prepared the same way. And conversely, the best meat I had the whole time I was in China was at a Texan BBQ joint that was positively delicious.
While the above is mostly about restaurants, I stayed in all these places (except Taiwan) long enough to do a fair deal of grocery shopping and home cooking as well. H-E-B is the best grocery store I have ever been in, anywhere in the world, and their produce is fantastic.
Spookykou
5mo ago
That is an underlying assumption on both sides that if only all the existing social barriers/contracts could be knocked down, utopia would be achievable.
I always thought that take was largely a response to a very specific 'moment' when a lot of pro-HBD people were making the claim (when asked, what policy outcomes they'd want to see if HBD was finally inside the Overton window) that what they wanted to achieve by getting HBD taken seriously was the removal of affirmative action that was preventing whites (and Asians) from getting all the top spots at top universities, all the top jobs, and so on.
Of course now you can just HBD post all you want on Twitter and so it feels like the question is no longer being asked.
Spookykou
8mo ago
As an American I assumed those were all single family homes, God bless America.
Yes I agree with this, I normally think of it as authentic and cerebral preferences. For example, I like oatmeal, because it is simple, and I like the aesthetics of simple living and simple things. I also like steak, because when I bite into a good piece of steak the fatty juices that wash over my tongue make my brain explode.
Spookykou
8mo ago
Yeah I am probably going to try to get on one of the GLP-1 drugs and see how it goes.
Spookykou
8mo ago
Also, I don't eat breakfast, snacks, desserts or drink anything other than water(but I would eat desserts if I kept them in the house).
Spookykou
8mo ago
I just looked at the Wikipedia list of countries by obesity. Mexico is 36% of adults with obesity, Hungary (hah) is a slightly higher 36, Ireland is 30, El Salvador is 29, Germany is 24, Colombia is 23. It is possible this data is wrong or misleading though?
Spookykou
8mo ago
I just made myself dinner. I went through the ingredients, this is far and away my most common meal and I make this or a slight variation on this for probably 60% of my meals in a year. Butter - Cream(milk), Salt. Ground Beef - Beef, Barilla Brand Pasta - Semolina (Wheat), Durum Wheat Flour, Pasta Sauce - Water, Tomato Paste, Diced Tomatoes, Tomato Juice, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Garlic, Onions, Basil, Black Pepper, Oregano, Dried Basil. Extra Virgin Olive Oil - Extra Virgin Olive Oil. I also added up the calories, the whole thing comes out to almost 4000. I normally make this for lunch, eat half of it, and eat the other half for dinner. It should be obvious to anyone why this combined with a sedentary life style will result in my becoming very fat without the need for any weird chemicals (Although maybe Semolina is full of weird chemicals?).
I think it is highly unlikely that these chemicals are very important in the broader picture of American obesity. These chemicals are just as common in all of Latin America, who do about the same as most of the EU on obesity, and Japan (who does better than basically everyone on obesity?) also puts this junk in all their, enormously popular, convenience store bread products.
Spookykou
8mo ago
Tit for Tat and Tit for Tat with forgiveness. They are strategies derived from game theory. The idea was an iterative game where you can either cooperate or defect, and people would write computer programs to play the game in a tournament. The initial experiment resulted in Tit for Tat winning, a simple program that just copied whatever the other program did the turn before, so if you defected last round, tit for tat would respond with defect in the next round, if you cooperate, tit for tat would cooperate next time.
The same basic experimental design has been run several times with several different organizational structures, but tit for tat always ends up doing very well.
One of the few strategies that do better though, is tit for tat with forgiveness, which is the basic tit for tat program, plus every now and then it will attempt to restart cooperation by cooperating after the other program defected.
One idea for why TfTwF does better that TfT is that two Tit for Tat like programs can get caught in a defect spiral where they both just spam defect, and the occasional forgiveness allows them to get back to cooperating.
Spookykou
8mo ago
Agreed, I think I can diet and lose weight, I just imagine it takes more of an effort of willpower for me (or someone like me) than for some other people.
Spookykou
8mo ago
I am crazy overweight, I eat zero 'ultra-processed' food, and unless you count things like 'bread' and 'cheese' as processed, I eat basically zero processed foods.
Personally, I think I just enjoy food more than other people. God I love food. I love eating. It is basically the only thing I really enjoy in life. When I bite into a home made migas taco, the melted cheese, the crunch of the fried tortilla strips*, the creamy avocado, it makes my whole brain light up. I am salivating just writing this.
This is just a single datapoint though, maybe I am the weirdo and most people are like you.
*Does frying corn tortillas in some avocado oil count as 'processed'?
Given that the left has won since the 1500s, I'm less inclined to believe that. You turn the other cheek but you do fight back once that's no longer an option
This reply, from @mrvanillasky, seems to be saying he wants to move from a cooperate bot into some kind of TfT bot, because he is tired of hitting cooperate only to get burned because the other side didn't.
It seems at least somewhat germane to discuss the kinds of strategies for defecting that the right is going to take, when making a general call for the right to start defecting more.
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I am not sure if I am really on the wrong meta level.
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I think we will just have to agree to disagree, TfTwF is a program, it is hard for me to imagine anything being more capable of 'abiding by a rule', as that is the very nature of the beast.
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I quoted the specific phrase I did for a reason, outright incorrect seem to me, to say something more like 'This strategy is never correct' more than it says 'In this specific situation this strategy is not correct'.
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(1+3)If you narrowly define 'abiding by moral principles' to mean 'cooperating with a defect bot' then sure, but I don't think it was unreasonable of me to not define it that narrowly, given the actually discussion was of real world politics and these toy models are just abstractions anyways.
edit: formatting
Spookykou
8mo ago
TfTwF doesn't "abide by moral principles the other side does not keep"
I think it does? The moral principle of occasional forgiveness. The other side does not have such a rule. Is the key word here 'abide'? Is it incoherent to say someone abides by a rule that is only implemented say 10% of the time? Like, we abide by a rule of spot checking 10% of our products? Or is abide not important and there is some other reason you think it is not an example of a rule the other side does not keep?
Spookykou
8mo ago
Objection, relevance?
The pursuit of political power is not fair and anyone abiding by moral principles the other side does not keep is outright incorrect.
I thought Tit for Tat with forgiveness did a lot better than spam defect strategies?
Spookykou
8mo ago
The pursuit of political power is not fair and anyone abiding by moral principles the other side does not keep is outright incorrect.
I thought Tit for Tat with forgiveness did a lot better than spam defect strategies?
Spookykou
9mo ago
I mean, maybe that is true in your trade specifically? I was thinking of jobs that I have done, like working at a bar, or a restaurant, or working retail, or working at UPS loading trucks, even working at an auto-shop the loss of a couple years is basically nothing. I am not even sure what 'skill loss' looks like for most of the menial labor I have done such that it is a coherent concern.
I lived in Beijing for a year. It could just be that my Chinese friends loved Sichuan, but outside of the foreign quarter I would constantly get taken to different Sichuan restaurants that all had basically the exact same menu. And for Breakfast I must have gone to twenty different places that all served zhou, Baozi and Youtiao.
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