The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
But everything I've seen about what's actually happening on the ground is about (1) arresting really bad people that they were going to arrest anyway without a surge of personnel or budget and (2) treating random brown/yellow people with over-the-top cruelty and viciousness with the specific intent of horrifying and spurring to action the soccer moms and VA nurses.
Which random brown/yellow people are being treated with over-the-top cruelty and viciousness? The closest I've seen there was the arrest of the one Hmong guy, who refused to identify himself and who they thought was a different really bad Hmong guy they were trying to arrest. They arrested him in the cold when he had only boxer shorts and a robe on, I think -- this is cruel but it's not "over-the-top" cruelty, arrests that aren't pre-arranged surrenders are almost always "come as you are". He was released the same day, I believe.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
From Pretti's perspective, what he was doing was tantamount to wearing a miniskirt into a 1%er biker bar and dancing on the tables. It was past just "risky" and well into "inviting trouble". That he got into it through error rather than malice on the part of the "bikers" is a flaw in the analogy, certainly.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
These people are successfully suppressing right-wing discourse by harassing family members. Whether they literally have a tail and horns, that's evil.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
In Minneapolis, what I see is an administration sending in an unaccountable paramilitary force to intimidate its political opposition and frog-boil the country into authoritarianism.
This sentence is full of sound and fury signifying nothing. "Paramilitary force" here is just used as a snarl term; pretty much all uniformed law enforcement, except that which is part of the military, consists "paramilitary forces". ICE is not "unaccountable"; they have a defined chain of command (goes along with being paramilitary), and are additionally accountable at least to Federal courts. ICE does not appear to be confronting the administration's political opposition -- just the opposite, the opposition is confronting them -- so intimidation seems quite unlikely. And enforcing immigration law is an established thing; if it's authoritarianism it isn't NEW authoritarianism so there's no frogs being boiled here.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
I don't actually know that Good had no habit of confrontation. But it doesn't matter, because it was her error (trying to flee through Ross), not the agent's error, that got her killed.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
It seems like it would be easier to just cut off their access to American resources. For example, require employers, landlords, DMV, doctors, insurance providers, etc. to verify immigration status, and make a strong example of the first ones that don't.
So all we have to do is turn the country into a cashless totalitarian panopticon and turn everyone into an immigration agent, and then there's no need to actually go after illegal aliens directly.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
When the right wing attempts to organize, the FBI infiltrates and breaks it up.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
One can't decry the viciousness and hatefulness of ones foes if you are in the pigsty rolling in the same mud with them.
Certainly you can; antifa has been doing so for a very long time.
There is nothing holding your side back other than practical considerations. Reciprocity does not factor into it. Any time there is an argument like "What if we did it to you?", the answer is either "You would anyway" or "You already have". And usually it's both.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Probably something like: "Acting like a Nazi" to justify their future extrajudicial killings.
Future?. The New York Times of course decried the shooting... of the murderer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Put this together with the claim from CNN that Pretti interfered with ICE chasing people, and it seems like this guy was trying to cause an incident, and eventually managed to find some officers who screwed up. Didn't work out so well for him, though I suppose being a martyr for the cause is an old and honorable position.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
No looting, no burning cop cars, no trashing local businesses…
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
No axehead. And as we know, a fasces without an axe is just a faggot.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Let a military have much input into its own insignia, and it will inevitably include skulls. Badges, pins, emblems, flags, or the literal bleached bones of the vanquished, they will be there.
Probably less now than in the past precisely because of the Nazi use.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Yeah, the "protestors" have convinced me that the masks are indeed a good idea, even with the bad PR.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
The main point is to change the way normies encountering ICE/CBP in the street respond.
To first order there are no normies encountering ICE/CBP in the street.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
That is certainly not the Partieadler, though there are stylistic similarities. The 90 degree difference in wing positioning is significant. The Epinal American Cemetery eagle certainly looks a lot like the Nazi version of the Reichsadler, though. Perhaps that was just the artistic style in vogue at the time and no one thought it looked particularly Nazi.
(The difference between the Partieadler and the Reichsadler is the Partieadler faces to its left and the Reichsadler faces to its right.)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
These details don't matter. ICE wearing a blue uniform isn't going to diminish the screeching and whistling by so much as tenth of a decibel.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
In the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, he was sent back (deported) with a bunch of other El Salvadorans who were sent back to El Salvador. He had a nonrefoulment order that was not respected, which was a fuckup on the part of DHS. If they'd done it by the book he's likely have been detained in the US until the US came up with the Guatemala idea. The Venezuelans, as far as I can tell, were not deported -- they were sent to CECOT to be detained there (still titularly in US custody), seemingly as part of some sort of hardball the US was playing with Maduro, and after Maduro agreed to take them back they were sent from CECOT to Venezuela.
As for CECOT being a torture prison, who knows? There's stories from prisoners, but you could interview prisoners in any maximum security US prison and get similar ones. Some of them would likely even be true, because prison sucks, prisoners suck, and prison guards generally suck too.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I suppose in fairness I should ask @The_Nybbler directly, then. Does "going directly after illegal immigrants is cruel and should be verboten" mean one believes no illegal immigrant should ever be arrested and deported under any circumstance?
That does seem to be what "no person is illegal" means.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
If it's Abrego Garcia he's referring to, ICE actually DID admit error.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
PR has a territorial income tax that makes up for it. And the territorial government is corrupt and incompetent so you can be sure very few of your tax dollars go for anything you'd want them to go to.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I'm not talking about mere warning, I'm talking about deliberately physically interposing themselves between the police and the speeders.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I would have thought that about the current enforcement actions.
ICE actually has wide enforcement powers granted by statute law. It's just that previous administrations didn't use them so much -- some of this being that local law enforcement co-operated with ICE, making direct enforcement less necessary. Immigration enforcement is where Trump is on some of his strongest legal ground.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Incidentally, if the Puerto Ricans made a similar argument with similar fervor, it might behoove the United States to give them a senator or let them go.
Puerto Ricans do not have to pay federal income tax. And they consistently vote against independence in referenda (though a fair number of those are tainted in some way). For statehood, it's not only their interests but the interests of the rest of the country which should be considered.
And the result of following that advice was letting the mean girls run everything.
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