Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
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Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
1yr ago
You say that until you get in a fight. Yes, they still happen, and should the current order weaken significantly they'll be happening a lot more. Women are smart to select a man who is physically capable of at least standing up for himself and his family.
Right, but the point is that anyone at the time who made an HBD argument using that as evidence was laughably wrong.
Strong disagree. What happened here, I think, is that there were several decades of brutal selection in an environment with a much weaker social safety net. Some substantial portion of the 'worst' Irish (etc.) simply failed to reproduce, and the ones left over are, naturally, closer to the Hajnali average. Plus intermarriage.
As for Italians, 'Italian' is not a race and Italy as a nation is a pretty new idea. Northern Italians are white. Southern Italians are something else. And to this day you'll see huge disparities between the two, modulo the same process as befell the Irish above. C.f. the Hajnal Line.
See also, http://www.anechoicmedia.org/blog/european_politics/
In short, it's a good takedown of the default, overconfident narrative of American migrant assimilation. If your idea of 20th century immigration is wretched refuse coming ashore, moving their way up, and merging economically and politically into the uniform White America we know today, that pretty much didn't happen. By most measures, identifiable European ancestries are still differentiated within America, and in ways that parallel their differences in Europe. The story of white America, then, is less one of assimilation, and more of selection bias and attrition.
European races were and are different from each other in important ways, as breeds of dog or any other animal subspecies differ. This extends to all areas of life.
And yes, we can bring in large numbers of high-IQ non-Hajnalis and they will be perfectly capable of keeping their noses clean and contributing productively to society. But do they want to live in the same sort of society we do?
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
1yr ago
Don't confuse discussions of the costs of wokeness' and affirmative action with the idea that total segregation is somehow more productive.
This seems to presuppose that segregation is always a net negative, which doesn't seem warranted to me.
Contingent on some hypothetical populations themselves being a net negative, doesn't it seem likely that integration could itself carry enormous costs?
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
6mo ago
Yes: That's what's necessary for God to be with us, and He loves us enough to do it.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
6mo ago
Generally speaking, God's not into smiting people in the OT, though it's often read that way in the West. Mostly what we see is God removing His divine protection and letting people suffer the consequences of turning away. Yes, even the great flood. He pulled back His ordering of the primal chaos and it broke loose. Yes, even the people who get smoked by His presence in the temple. That's just what God's presence does to fallen humans (and also why He protected us by expelling us from Eden). He gives very specific instructions to the effect of "this is how you can live with Me safely" and people reject those and the consequences are what you'd expect.
Happens also with Ananias and wife in Acts.
If you think that markets are generally better at allocating labor than governments then you might predict that de jure segregation would generally have high costs.
You have a point here -- my distrust of integration lies rather in that I don't expect the market to be allowed to sort things out.
EDIT: To be clear, integration plus forced (at gunpoint) 'equity' is just directionally toward Harrison Bergeron and I think we can agree there are major costs there.
Yes, I'd like (actual) equality under the law and the market and individuals and communities to be allowed to find their own level, and for those who sink to not be massively subsidized by those who swim. Compassion, I think, does not extend to perpetuating dysfunction.
Are they smart-but-passive rule followers, or smart-but-sociopathic rule breakers?
Just winging an answer here, but I think the idea is that when it comes to personal gain they don't feel guilt and will ruthlessly defect against norms to get what they want. If caught, they will feel shame, which is distinct. C.f. the staggering rates of academic misconduct right down to cheating in university, which afaict is much more a Han problem than anyone else's.
OTOH, when it comes to official dogma, they don't seem interested in questioning it much at all. Much more conformist. This is a difference on average and there will be exceptions. But, they're two different things. Conflating both with 'rule following' is the problem here.
Scandinavians seem the same way re: conformity. It's interesting to wonder why and how. Again, the off-the-cuff supposition would be that Scandis are that way because they evolved in high-trust societies with low corruption and could generally benefit from believing the authorities, who were generally correct and benevolent. Whereas the Han evolved in a low-trust environment where people questioning authority tended to have their families exterminated to several degrees. Point deer make horse. Not questioning authority is beneficial either way, but for very different reasons, and so will play out differently.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
6mo ago
To do the thing, He set up the rules to require Him to do?
Not following, here.
You don't get to be the omnipotent, omniscient creator God, then also want kudos for solving some problem you created. The sacrifice of Jesus is only required because God wanted it to be so.
Yes, that's what I just said. He wanted to be with us that badly. If He hadn't, He'd presumably have just not bothered with us or gone through that.
Still not sure what else you're implying. If God wants to marry us, which is rather what this whole thing is about, He wants a bride capable of choosing Him. That also means that we're capable of choosing to reject Him, hence everything else that happens.
Maybe you're suggesting that God could simply have created us capable of choosing Him and also incapable? If so I think your notion of 'omnipotence' is broken.
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Lord, have mercy.
10mo ago
Everyone has geography and everything that's ever happened is historical happenstance.
In fact they are fairly genetically different. Came from different ancestral populations. See Albion's Seed.
At least several centuries of divergent evolution helped along by different levels of state capacity to, e.g., punish defectors.
EDIT: Here's Scott's review of the book. https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-seed/
Also to be clear when I say 'the tendency is mainly genetic' I'm not arguing that people can't be trained either way -- only that, absent training or enforcement, some will have a stronger instinct to cooperate, and others to defect, and there's no way this isn't deeply genetically rooted.
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Lord, have mercy.
1yr ago
If the IRA had been like African Americans, they would have moved to Canterbury and complained incessantly about everything English.
I think we can agree this is a bit facetious?
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Lord, have mercy.
1yr ago
Right, my point here is that without reference to God 'morality' is an unintelligible term. We can talk about order, or smooth social functioning, or game theory -- all kinds of things! But those are not what we mean when we talk about morality. Morality is what is right above all those other concerns by dint of our relationship to our creator.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
6mo ago
You're right, it's absolutely fascinating that baseball was ever popular anywhere.
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Lord, have mercy.
9mo ago
As a theistic person, your post reads to me thus:
I am asexual. I cannot comprehend how sexual people like the way they are and I regard it as a sickness rather than recognizing myself as the one who is sick. If I can, I will fix the flaw in human beings which causes them to desire romance with each other. That is disgusting and it is clear to me that so much unnecessary pain could simply be avoided. I know so much better.
What I'm saying here isn't an argument. It's an apology. Best wishes to you.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
11mo ago
A lot of this is due to declining standards to help them 'do better'. Everyone else pays that price.
Instead, they suggest that without the fear of god and the set of rules there's simply no other way to create internal drivers for morality.
No -- instead I'll suggest that without the fear of God "morality" is an unintelligible term.
If you think it's somehow 'wrong' to put your unwanted infant on a dung heap to die of starvation or be sold into prostitution; if you think it's 'wrong' to sail down the coast to where the people talk funny and kill the men, rape the women, and enslave the children; if you think that all humans are of equal (and infinite) moral worth; you just might be descended from a Christian culture.
Baseline human 'morality' looks like Genghis Khan, and I don't recognize it as such. It's just game theory.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
1yr ago
How motivated does someone need to be to read that as a threat?
if you went to Japan and started preaching about how you should sail down the coast and rape and enslave, people would think you're insane
Boy of all the examples to pick. Japan was precisely that way within living memory. What changed?
As to Israel, modern Judaism is younger than (and a reaction to) Christianity, and also Israel is heavily populated by Western (somewhat Christianized) Jews, and if you go ask the Jews who are still fairly un-Christianized they'll gladly tell you that non-Jews are only there to serve Jews.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
6mo ago
What help is there to ameliorate the invincible globalist elites being out to get me?
Same help there's always been. God. All you're doing right now is surrendering to the very real demonic forces which have successfully convinced you that not only are you helpless, but there's not even a fight worth fighting. Maybe question those assumptions.
Go to church, make yourself a worthy husband, and raise a solid family that will carry worthwhile values into the next generation. It's about the hardest thing there is to do, but also the worthiest.
And if you're not called to family, then there's about a million and one other things worth doing as well, and many communities of people who will be happy to support you in the work.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
9mo ago
Yeah, no, the presumption of good faith is gone here. You do not have the attitude of someone interested in learning and I won't be snookered into wasting more time on you.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
10mo ago
Sure, it's better to be alive now in the first world than at any previous point in time. Our material well-being is historically pretty maximal, though we may have peaked just about now.
This is a popular talking point and even Jordan Peterson capitulated on this when he was murdering those Swedes, but I have my doubts. The worthiness of human existence is not defined by material comfort, and I suspect that many a man exists in these benighted latter days who would have been much happier in an era of shitty rights, worse food, and a faithful and stalwart wife who would bear him many children. Your mileage may vary but I know which I would choose, were I not blesséd enough to have both.
Re: Germanity, what can I say but F. I doubt very much if that race can be reconstituted but if I have the opportunity and no greater obligation I surely will accomplish this thing.
Unsaying
Lord, have mercy.
11mo ago
Without that threat, nobody would follow the rules.
Some people will return shopping carts. Others will block spaces with them. I think the tendency is mainly genetic, and that some peoples can get pretty far without threatening each other into decent behavior.
You might consider that you don't have a very solid grasp on what Christianity is, if that's your definition.
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