ArjinFerman
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If you barge into a restaurant kitchen and the chef is holding a knife and you dive underneath him, he is not threatening you with the knife. You threatened yourself
That would be a great argument, if she was just driving her car, minding her own business, they jumped out in front of her, and shot her. When the car is stopped, and she's surrounded by cops trying to detain her, the correct analogy is the police busting into a kitchen because the Chef is a suspect, and him charging at the only exit, which is blocked by an armed police officer, while holding a knife.
ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
I think you’re conflating “made a bad choice” with “escalating.” She didn’t make the options life or death,
The officer didn't. Just standing in front of a stopped car is not a life and death situation, even civillians are allowed to do it, and any driver charging at one, would be found guilty of some sort of a crime. She's the one who made it a lot closer to life and death, which is why she was the one escalating.
ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
I made no mention of a right to escape.
I'm saying the only way your argument makes sense is if there was such a right.
I’m just observing that it’s silly to unnecessarily make an escape attempt put your life at risk then hide behind fear for your life when an easy to anticipate behavior occurs.
By that logic arresting any armed suspect would be "silly" because you'd be putting yourself in the same situation when someone has a gun, and you want detain them.
...people pretty obviously have a right to not be shot by police unless they've in some sense 'deserved it' or some other interest is served to ameliorate a certain rate of accidents. A "right to life" ring a bell?
You're the one that said "I think framing it purely as 'X right exists [and trumps everything]' and leaving it at that is not a helpful framing, because especially when talking about law enforcement various "rights" come into conflict with each other all the time", so right off thr bat you've originally argued against your case, which was my point.
My case rests on a specific right (one to escape), NOT existing. If the suspect does not escape, by means of charging at an officer with a deadly weapon, at no point is their life in danger, so framing the discussion as a "right to life" id completely absurd.
ArjinFerman
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15hr ago
If a right like that existing wouldn't make the argument clear cut, doesn't make that my case, which depends on such a right not existing, even stronger?
ArjinFerman
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16hr ago
The "non-central fallacy" is a pretty dubious construct to start with, but in any case: no it's not. You can apply the same reasoning to the convoluted contraption from his scenario: handcuffs are not a deadly weapon, and neither is a wire, but they become one when the wire is wrapped around your neck. A car, by itself, is not a deadly weapon, but a car driving at someone is. There's a reason why they became so popular with Muslim terrorists.
ArjinFerman
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16hr ago
The police always travel in pairs, and instead of normal handcuffs they carry one cuff with a long thin wire dangling off them. When a police officer cuffs someone it doesn't directly restrain them in any way, but the police officer ties the wire around their own neck.
Uh... sure, if the officer had the perfect opportunity to restrain a suspect, but instead chose to arm them with a deadly weapon, the use of which completely depends on the officer willingly exposing himself to it through a series of convoluted steps, I'd say any pretense of feeling threatened is illegitimate.
I fail to see how this is a useful analogy for a case where the suspect is already in possession of a deadly weapon, prior to restraint.
ArjinFerman
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16hr ago
Also imagine if the roles were reversed. If instead a normal guy was trying to get away from some anti-ICE protestors and got gotten, I'm sure the enemy would be all over it calling the driver an evil nazi and whatever.
We already had that. In Charlottesville.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
I'll take a wild guess and say it's random chance, and the mean of the population has the highest chance of manifesting in the individual.
ArjinFerman
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18hr ago
There is no "right to escape from cops", and if she doesn't escape, she won't be putting anyone's life in danger, so she's the one escalating.
ArjinFerman
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18hr ago
Part of the bargain we make with the state is that the violence is structured, measured, constrained, fair, etc. right?
Which means you shouldn't be roughed up for shits and giggles, not that the cops should let you run away or attack them.
Presumably he stands in front of the car to make it less likely she’ll drive away, but the stakes are now higher than they probably needed to be, right?
No, why?
(that is 0 at some schools including this one and, bizarrely, 50 at others)
What's bizarre about it? <=50% points is a failing grade in every European country I've been in.
The essay deserved an F
Not according to the grading criteria for the assignment. And if yes, just barely.
The rule being selectively enforced here is "Undergraduates should be able to do undergraduate-level work". It isn't the specific rubric.
What's the evidence that this rule even exists? I can probably pull out a specific rule for the school that prohibits academic fraud, if you admit there isn't one here, you're admitting the cases aren't analogous.
When the F student isn't politically sympathetic, most Motteposters do.
Most motteposters are in favor of high standards. Failing a particular student a teacher doesn't like, but otherwise keeping the low standards isn't particularly popular.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
A fundamentally righteous but rarely-enforced rule was enforced against an obviously-guilty member of a protected group
This is the similarity you're failing to show between the cases. As per the other thread the grading criteria for the assignment do not warrant a 0. Yes, it's a bad essay, but the criteria provided by the professor explicitly allows bad essays. Please show how there were similar rules that actually allow for the penalized conduct in this case.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
...you know, if someone I had less faith in the good faith of had said that, I would have dismissed it.
That's very flattering. Also kudos for reassessing.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
To be fair, you are going to bizarre lengths to imply that Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons, as well as to refuse to state that directly, or to deny it. Just stating your beliefs plainly would probably dispell any suspicion about your luminosity levels.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Had a busy New Years but I managed to get some work in. The latest version of the app is deployed, but it didn't quite go without a hitch, as I had to scramble to fix some issues stemming from discrepancies between sqlite and mysql. But it works!. The old data is migrated, and everything else works pretty damn snappy. I have to decide what to do next, either I'll go back to importing data from Substack, which is what got interrupted before I went on this whole refactoring tangent, or I'll add some AI-automated tagging, and/or image description for categorization and easier search, which is what I found myself wishing for recently.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
What mod history? It was a first post.
There's a log of all mod actions. He checked it to see what happened with your first post.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
Will starting a war be what drives his supporters away from him?
Not an American so can't speak for his actual supporters, but yup, that's the last stop on the Trump train for me.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
One might also speculate the Venezuelan success might be a contagion that furthers socialist (really "social democracy") popularity in the Americas and a successful model of defiance of the USA imperial authority.
I don't particularly disagree with you on the foreign policy angle, but if you consider Venezuela a success, how does a failure look like in your mind?
Finally, for the fascists surrounding Trump, the response might be a win win, based on calculated risk and win. A total successful foreign interventionist coup might distract the public with more zone shit. It might impress his base that are otherwise realizing they're miserable with vicarious jingoism "we are strong" vibes.
Weird, as a Trump-adjacent """fascist""", I'm pretty sure I want them to leave Venezuala and Iran alone.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
My first impression is that it would be "someone wanting to keep things the way they are". A definition that boils down to "being a scold" doesn't sound particularly useful.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
That doesn't make any sense. The temperamental conservatives raised in liberal culture became the """classical""" liberal free-speech warriors. The whole point for them was that wokeness was radical detraction from the liberal status quo of the 90's and 00's.
Sure, they're about as untrustworthy as any western institution. Though in this case, since they are already yes_chadding the highest incarceration rate in the world, I don't quite see the point in lying about it.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
In the long run, they simply have to be executed. Keeping them locked up is unsustainable
Surely they can earn their keep with a bit of forced labour?
Like I said, this is not a valid analogy. The reason they'd be wrong in the "attaching the wire" scenario is because they had the chance to restrain the suspect and chose to forgo it in favor of putting themselves in danger, not because they put themselves in harm's way in an attempt to restrain them. The latter is a completely normal part of police work. If it was somehow wrong, the police wouldn't be allowed to attempt to restrain any armed suspect.
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