hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
12hr ago
The claim comes from The Weirdest People in the World by Joseph Heinrich, in which he demonstrates
- Cultural change from genuine belief in the Christian God
- Catholic marriage law dissolving tribal and clan based social structures which led to the invention of capitalism
- Societal structures built by the Catholic Church spread innovations much more quickly than otherwise, supported iterative improvements in technology and lifestyle, and meaningfully reduced time preferences in European populations
hydroacetylene
13hr ago
The lack of theory of mind is truly something. The leading response to "I won't eat at a table where meat is served" is "so starve then" and the second leading response is "Then leave the table". In distant third is "So you want some of my brisket?" with "fine, it'll be vegetarian this time, but you're an asshole and I'm eating double steak tomorrow" trailing it by a good margin. "Well, I guess I'll reduce or eliminate my meat consumption" is lizardman's constant.
hydroacetylene
18hr ago
Lots of the pro-Palestine protestors are waving the flag of Hamas, which has killed some IDF soldiers but no U.S. personnel as far as I know. The Hezbollah flag I’ve never heard of, although some of the protestors seem to generate word salad about why Hezbollah aren’t a bunch of murdering terrorists.
hydroacetylene
19hr ago
I have never met a mentally OK enough to be basically functional tradcath who believed Jews ought be exterminated(and I have met a lot of tradcaths, including many who voice politically incorrect ideas and strong antisemitism quite freely), but I have no trouble believing you’ve found one- you wouldn’t be the only friendly or neutral observer who claims to have. I admit to being curious as to his attitude towards converts from Judaism, who would be ethnically Jewish but not religiously.
I recall, particularly, a traditional Catholic priest who once told me that bishop Williamson was of course right about the Holocaust, but he shouldn’t be allowed to say it because he doesn’t believe it would have been a tragedy if it had happened. Even if not exactly mainstream within traditional Catholicism, I don’t harbor delusions of bishop Williamson being one of a kind.
hydroacetylene
20hr ago
Idle courtiers- and military reserves who in practice just steal the budget- took up a much larger fraction of a state’s resources in 1700 than the welfare class does today, unless you’re counting pensioners. And, of course, today’s monarchies spend gobs on welfare compared to their normal dictatorship neighbors, or to democracies.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Actual historical monarchies had tons of useless parasites supported by the state, either directly or through corruption.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I know a trad-Cath civil engineer who hates suburbs, and argues that instead of the "white flight" retreat that drove their growth and "urban decay," whites should have defended the inner city by "just shoot[ing] all the n*****s."
This is probably because he, like most IRL tradcaths, believes commie-coddler powers that be engineered the civil rights movement to direct the worst of the white flight generating violence against Catholic neighborhoods in an effort to break the cultural power of Catholicism(on the upswing in the 50’s and early 60’s due to very high fertility rates and strong group identity), not because he literally believes blacks should be exterminated.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
This is Ukraine. The gender studies grants will be stolen. I mean, probably a lot of the grants for normal stuff will be stolen, but Ukrainian elites are smart enough to get that the gender studies grants are ones that no one will even notice if it's all stolen because it doesn't do anything.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
England and the Netherlands were the wealthiest societies in the world starting at their recover from the black death, and retained that title until their colonies dethroned them. Now the difference between $600/yr and $1,000/yr is probably not night and day, but Britain by the period of colonialism had a much higher standard of living compared to India, Africa, etc.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
It's actually quite interesting that Christianity, to the limits of sources, never liked slavery very much, even in time periods when slavery was normal and uncontroversial, and that some of the first Christian-religiously-influenced laws ever passed were protecting slave welfare.
I'm aware that most pagans are into hippie nonsense, not racist nonsense, and that even most pagans with conservative tendencies are not particularly racist- the radical esoteric traditionalist crowd is truly fringe of the fringe- but if we're talking specifically about radical esoteric traditionalists, well, they're truly extremists and I suspect have a large fraction which just Does Not Play Well With Others, same as any other frighteningly extreme fringe of the fringe group.
The median pagan just wants to do drugs, and maybe sleep with some rebellious hippy chicks. Most racist pagans are in prison gangs. The 'ethno-conscious paganism as an ideological choice' thing is a small enough group that it's worth asking why people who claim to want reactionary social norms don't join the much larger communities which offer much more reactionary than average social norms which actually exist.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Twitterati edgelords are on a whole other level; being a Christian reactionary myself I'm well aware that politically incorrect racial attitudes are common in the community. But going on unbidden rants on the subject doesn't seem particularly common, nor does unqualified praise for Hitler or support for ethnic cleansing or population control.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
To be even more clear, the Catholic and Orthodox interpretation of that passage has always been that the rich young man sought monasticism and was dissuaded by the requirement of poverty.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Many also claim that Christianity was created by Jews to control Whites. They consider it a cucked foreign religion imposed on them by Jews to supplant the true Pagan religions of Europeans.
I invite these people to study the history of Jewish-Christian relations.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I think they want to return to pre Christian Germanic paganism, aka a remnant of the time of living in mud huts like the Africans they love to hate.
Like it or not, Europe broke out of those conditions from 1,000 years of Catholic theocracy. Asia modernized by copying them. This is a well-known, historically supported story that’s perfectly compatible with reactionary ideas about things like the place of women.
I think some of these DR types are too racist for actual Christian reactionaries in real life, or find that their autistic NEET edge lord behavior is otherwise unwelcome in IRL Christian reactionary communities so try to go further back. Twitter edgelordism is escapism whether it’s on the left or the right.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The law in question for Lawrence specifically only applied to homosexual sodomy.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
contemporary 'Christianity' which is just a hedonistic gay progressive with AIDS calling themselves a bishop.
This is a small minority of denominations and they are typically doing very poorly.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
It’s true that Christianity is hostile to slavery and racially egalitarian in a way that Islam and judaism and Hinduism and the like mostly aren’t. But it’s also true that Christianity has sometimes been a motivator for race laws, as in Spain’s ‘old Christian’ laws, or ideas about the curse of Cham.
Christian marriage laws(women have to consent, can’t be too young, a marriage is a marriage even over parental opposition, and you can’t marry your cousin) tend to break down clans over a long enough timescale, but I’m not sure how much connection clans have to racism. Certainly Christianity tends to believe it has a civilizing mission as a missionary religion, but so does Islam.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Probably, yes, but I think pillarization implies that there aren’t clearly dominant and subordinate groups like the various Islamic implementations; Shiites are de facto socially dominant in Lebanon today and moderate Protestants in 1930’s holland, but there wasn’t/isn’t a formal hierarchy.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
In the 80’s? The days of the moral majority? Opposition to the sexual Revolution was if anything more mainstream than today.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Uh, Ukrainian soldiers are much less interested in fighting for Russia than ethnic Germans in Alsace and Sudetenland were in fighting for Germany.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Pillarization is where individuals within a society live in separate worlds on ethnoreligious lines and was derived from the prewar situation in the Netherlands, where Catholics and the two kinds of Protestants lived extremely separate lives from each other with separate sports leagues, schools, newspapers, political parties, churches, etc. A more current example is probably Lebanon, where Maronites Shiites and Sunnis are functionally the government for their specific groups. Pillarization is a long term goal of a few very conservative Christians in the USA(that’s explicitly what gab is trying to enable) but doesn’t really have much mainstream support.
Balkanization usually refers to a country breaking up into smaller territorial units- like if Texas seceded.
I’ve never heard ‘fracturing’ used in a modern context but it’s a pretty good literal translation of a variety of terms used in the classical world to describe the transition from a democracy to an authoritarian regime- eg the collapse of the Roman republic was referred to as ‘fractio’ by the chroniclers of the day, and the Greek term for the same process is στασις, which means something like ‘standing apart’.
I think but I’m not sure that ‘siloing’ and ‘walled gardens’ are references to individual steps on the path to any of those things.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
A lot of the populace already thinks Israel's guilty of ethnic cleansing, and a reasonable amount have heard "Wolf!" cried enough times that they've tuned out and won't believe reports of massacres; there's just not all that much of the US meaningfully in play here.
There’s also quite a lot of the public which simply does not care about savages in the desert somewhere and thinks that Israel is within their rights to wipe them all out since they can’t learn to behave.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Ukrainian social norms are not particularly like those of the modern west; it’s a strong candidate for the most conservative social norms of any country with a Christian majority and this is apparent from interacting with old country Ukrainians in a way it is not with old country Mexicans or poles or whatever. The idea that Ukraine does not have at least some degree of actual patriarchy to go with women being exempted from the draft is not, it appears, particularly based on fact.
And yet the conservative elites are mostly Catholic with a few Jews and almost no mainline protestants.
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