hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
6hr ago
To be clear, 'sometimes priests wind up visiting prostitutes' was a known problem among the hierarchy, and most reports of sex abuse were buried by writing it off as this- despite the victims not being whores, and not being suspected of being them either. In the environment of the late twentieth century RCC(which had extremely lax and loose disciplinary standards) this was dealt with through 'rehabilitative justice', just like clerical alcoholism(rates are shockingly high)- and of course the extremely lax disciplinary environment in place doesn't exactly push towards rehabilitation actually working.
One of the main innovations on abuse response was to report to the police before opening a case(which you can cover up by miscategorizing). The police don't particularly care about prostitution; this is pretty low priority. But they do care about raping teenaged boys.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
I don't have data to hand right now, but generally speaking liberal/progressive sections of the church have had a worse record about this than conservative/trad sections of the church, with some exceptions(eg Fr Maciel). The SSPX adopted the policy of 'report to the police first, then investigate internally after' long before anyone else, Benedict was the recent pope with the toughest record on sex abusers, etc.
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
To be clear, sex abuse in religious organizations is basically a solved problem and 'bringing in a bunch of left wing activists' isn't the solution. It's-
- Everyone involved loses their job in case of a coverup. Everyone who conceivably knew and didn't report gets fired, regardless of their level in the organization, regardless of peripherality, etc.
- Everyone is trained as a state mandated reporter.
- Chaperoning requirements and parental involvements have consistent policies and those policies aren't stupid. You also have common sense checks about who gets to be involved as a volunteer(eg checking sex offender registries).
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
Catholic priests before the 2003 reforms(which cut clerical sex abuse cases down to a rounding error) did have near unlimited access to kids for enormous amounts of time, often long stretches of time.
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
It's not really 'grooming' it's these women not getting the relationship they want after sleeping with him. Right wing leaders being pressured to follow through on (even implied)relationship promises more often is probably a big part of having fewer sex scandals.
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
I mean it may also just be having good story lines. Everyone seems to like japanese cartoons; when the French(with their own very robust culture making apparatus which is different from our own) gave their youths a stipend for cultural materials they spent it on manga.
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
The Ukrainian state is politically closer to the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church, which runs the other successful post-Soviet revival of Christianity and would like to suppress all Eastern Orthodox groups for heresy, but for realpolitik reasons settles for aiming the state against the more Russia-leaning ones while it slowly outbreeds the rest of Ukraine.
AI and 1-800-petmeds is getting increasingly popular as a recommendation at the bow range, but those people are at the far end of, uh, mistrusting institutions.
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