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1mo ago
The Gospel of Judas did.
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1mo ago
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people walking around in public must show the contents of their pockets, handbags, briefcases, etc. if a cop orders them to (with or without any degree of articulable suspicion). The cops still need to follow the US rules before they can touch or seize anything from a person, or perform any more invasive search, or enter a private area like a home. Would that be "tyranny"?
Mmm, there are edge cases, depending on definitions, where I'd say "yes". The key point is "if the police can negate your ability to live life without you having committed a crime, that's sufficient* to set up a full police state". The most obvious edge case that hits this criterion is "policeman does this search over and over for 3 hours every time you set foot outside your house".
*Not necessary, though, as "everyone is guilty of crimes and the police can fully use this" also qualifies. This is why "three felonies a day" + "no privacy" = "police state".
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There was the thing where a democratic campaign volunteer attempted to murder as many of the republican congressmen as he could, the FBI covered up the clear political motive, and it was common for years afterward to hear Progressives mock the victims and wish the would-be assassin had done a better job.
James Hodgkinson?
There was the time the Antifa guy murdered a trump supporter in cold blood, on video, his antifa buddies publicly celebrated the murder on video, prestige media responded by glazing him, and local progressives shrugged and said it was the trump supporter's fault for engaging in political speech in a blue enclave.
Michael Reinoehl?
Then there's the family members, friends, and acquaintances who've opined to me that it'd probably be for the best if Trump or Elon or Vance were just murdered.
Yeah, I've gotten that too and I don't even live in the 'States.
I'll note that all of these except Butler are progressive murder culture, not reactionary murder culture which is the point most relevant to your argument. Certainly, it's hard to keep that kind of thing fully one-sided indefinitely, though.
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1mo ago
We're literally watching the formation of deep-seated assassination culture in our society right now.
Could you give some examples of what you're referring to? As an Aussie I tend to get only the US news that's talked about a lot on here. I know about the attempts on Trump (at least, the ones before his re-election), but you sound like you're talking about more than that.
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1mo ago
Wait, why can't he vote?
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1mo ago
Change is dangerous, but the relevant part of the change has already happened and can't be undone. As Nietzsche said, "God is dead". Now the only choice is how to replace Him.
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1mo ago
I notice that there's a line on the Contact Us page reading:
"If you can see this line, we haven't been contacted by any law enforcement or governmental organizations in 2023 yet."
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Look at which way the "in doubt" seats are leaning. Labour'll be in the 90s. And 1996's Coalition seats are not by themselves a good measure of how devastating this is, because the crossbench was much smaller then - Labour still won 49 seats in 1996, while the Coalition is currently looking at low 40s. The last left-wing blowout this big was, uh, 1943, and that one was the one that killed the original UAP and birthed the Liberals (the last right-wing blowout this big was 1975, after Whitlam pulled enough shenanigans to earn himself a Monarch Interrupt).
I will note that the ABC people talking about how Dutton lost by focusing on culture wars amounts to basically code/false-consciousness for "we've got a lock on the culture wars in Australia; defy SJ and you lose". I'm not sure that's true, though; the Voice referendum proved that SJ does not have a full lock. The really-nasty part is that Western anti-SJ has a voice, and a face, and a name - Donald Trump - and he's utter poison in the Australian electorate because the Borderer culture that props up Trumpism is alien to Australia and Trump himself is obviously not very good at governance (or very friendly to Australia).
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1mo ago
Yeah, the Liberals have been annihilated. And it has almost entirely been the Liberals; the Nationals lost I think one seat compared to last election (specifically, after Andrew Gee defected from the party mid-term and became an independent, they failed to take it back from him). Meanwhile, the Liberals have lost most of their heartland and while they still do have more seats than the Nats, a lot of those seats are ones that are actually significantly rural/regional but just have the Liberals there for some reason (e.g. they're in SA/WA, where the Nationals aren't really a thing).
A lot of this is blowback from Trump, obviously, and thus not really permanent, but in some regards it looks like the most plausible Coalition path back to power involves Sydney/Melbourne/Perth being arbitrarily erased from the cosmic whiteboard.
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1mo ago
Of course aislop grifters should be fedposted just like indian call center scammers, but sometimes I can't help but feel like the victims deserved it. But when they bother me waste 5 seconds of my time again, I am right back in fedposting mode.
Dude, just say they should be executed and/or assassinated by crack teams of commandoes. That dodges the "zomg terrorist" problem.
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We're largely missing the Borderers, and so they're culturally alien to us (so are American Descendants of Slaves, but for various reasons including good PR and relative invisibility there's less friction there).
We also have a much-weaker two-party system, so instead of being a faction with some amount of influence in our major right-wing parties, the alt-right has its own party (well, technically two parties, One Nation and the Clive Palmer Party the United Australia Party Trumpet of Patriots, but the latter is a bad joke). There's no cordon sanitaire in Australia (there was one, like 25 years ago, but it fell apart); the Coalition (the neoliberal Liberals and rural-conservative Nationals) put One Nation above anybody besides themselves on their how-to-vote cards and they're willing to work with One Nation when they have to. But because One Nation's primary vote is quite a bit lower than that of the Coalition and they're not unusually-concentrated like the (hippie/SJ) Greens voters, they have no lower-house seats (though they do manage a few Senate seats, as the Senate is pseudo-proportional representation), so the Coalition mostly haven't had to (or have been impotent even with them).
And yeah, as the others have mentioned there's a bit of an issue that Trump wasn't being all that friendly to Australia. Friendly fire isn't, and all that.
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1mo ago
I think I agree with 2/5, think 1/5 is the ideal but tricky to actually implement, and actually disagree with 2/5 (though not fully in either case).
The one that's tricky is inquisitors; the problem is setting up a highly-trustworthy and highly-politically-neutral oversight body to make sure that inquisitors don't, y'know, get captured by the party in power and lock up the opposition. The difficulty of this is the motivation for jury trials, although this purpose has been largely vitiated by various schemes on the part of the government and legal apparatus (there's a whole battery of ways that judges and lawyers cut down on nullification, ranging from strikes to barring mentions to jury instructions).
The ones I disagree with are guns (I think it's wired into the male brain to like weapons; I think US gun culture is maybe a step too far, and I think handguns are a worse value proposition than all other small arms and even a lot of higher-end stuff, but I do generally support the ability of random interested people to be able to hunt game or shoot targets for its own sake) and the executions (I'm mostly on board with the Galactic Milieu policy where, upon sufficiently demonstrating that you're irredeemable, you get a choice of life without parole/["death of personality" if available]/execution, as I'm generally on team "prevention and deterrence" rather than "punishment and deterrence"; definitely prefer bullet to the head over lethal injection as method, though).
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1mo ago
the headsman's blade
It'd be at least a second or two before the brain deoxygenated enough to cause unconsciousness, surely? I was with you up until that point.
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1mo ago
Asides from stupid teenagers, I'd wager that ~everyone who frequents those sites to see anything more graphic than bodycam footage are somehow mentally disturbed.
I will note that in the EEA everyone was basically fine with gore. It's the modern, intermediated society where the vast majority of people don't have to kill animals that is unnatural.
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1mo ago
And specifically stated as such by the people who coined all these terms.
Mind if I ask your source? I'm certainly well aware of SJ's extraordinary capacity for deliberate meme warfare; I would just appreciate receipts on this particular one.
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1mo ago
Somebody who posted "the year is 2025 and we're unironically X" as a one-liner would almost certainly get modded regardless of the political valence of X.
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1mo ago
Well, the guards did get caught, just not fully.
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1mo ago
Is it "insanely illegal"? Remember that in the suicide hypothesis, sabotaging the monitoring isn't murder conspiracy with its fuckoff-huge sentence. They skated with no time, and even if they'd gotten caught red-handed my wild guess is that they'd have served under 2 years.
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1mo ago
Did you read the link?
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1mo ago
Furthermore, Epstein committing 'suicide' in the anti-suicide ward while the cameras were conveniently switched off is clear proof of some kind of paedophile-sex ring deeply embedded in the US government. The Q people were directionally correct.
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1mo ago
@WhiningCoil this comment is a reply to a mod-hat comment by Amadan giving you a warning. You deserve the opportunity to read it.
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Daniel Kokotajlo and the rest of the AI 2027 team are doing an AMA right now on ACX, in case any of you want to ask something. Ends half an hour from now.
NB: If you just want to yell "you're wrong" I'd recommend saying that at another time; the questions are coming in fast so I'm not sure they'll be able to answer everything.
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1mo ago
I wouldn't consider it so. Also, my read on Steve is that he's not even trying to bait a response, just lash out at people he gets mad at. Could you maybe link me some examples of Steve trying to bait people?
@SteveAgain, to be clear, I don't actually hate you. I see too much of myself in you to hate you. With that said, "you must learn control". I'd suggest putting some kind of spacer into your post routine so that you have time to calm down before a post goes live, because it's specifically your angry snarling at people that's causing the problems.
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1mo ago
Saya no Uta takes about 3 hours or so to read. Maybe more if you're a slower reader than I am, although probably not by much given the whole "voiced" thing.
I haven't played the versions with the sex scenes stripped out, but I'm not sure if they're fit for purpose; the sex scenes contain a large amount of character development and even a significant amount of the plot. I'd recommend a version with them left in if you're going to play at all. Related to this, it's a horror VN, and it needs a warning for actually being horrifying - I was 20 when I played it and I had a "wake up screaming" nightmare, although it's still #3 or #4 on my list of "best VNs" (I've played slightly over 50).
The nasty part here is that a lot of the hazards you mention have ceiling effects that allow defectbots to ignore them at the margin. A career criminal can't have his income garnished because all his income is off the books, he can't have his career damaged more than it already is because he already fails background checks and criminals don't care, and he can't have his dating prospects damaged because they already consist solely of "women who don't realise, or don't care, that he's a career criminal" (with admittedly an exception for time he actually spends in jail if he's caught raping/beating his girlfriend).
This is a special case of the more general issue that if you grade on a strict pass/fail with stringent conditions for passing, then the middle road and low road lead to the same place, which is a big problem if you want people to pick the middle road over the low road (and for all values of "you" that are thinking consequentially from the standpoint of society, you do; you are not God making a judgement after the end of the universe, which means that simply exterminating everyone who didn't pull off the high road tends to end badly and even if somehow implemented is likely to kick you below replacement).
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