rayon
waifutech enthusiast
The Dork Enlightenment
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The same kind of people that slurped up lazy 2B cosplays (white wig, blindfold, tits, ass) are now calling half-naked women trying to entice them with blond wigs and green fingernails "slutbloods" and encouraging each other to block them.
More evidence of the wholesomeness of the trend, no? 2B's design is not exactly subtle and eminently lewdable, obviously intended as coomer bait, so uh, objectifying her is acceptable and even encouraged - I'll be the first to defend Automata's story but it's largely irrelevant as far as lewding 2B goes. Whereas the lust for Malfoid (whose "design" doesn't really exist, but can be trivially imagined as fairly chaste given the standard of dress in Hogwarts) stems more from the proverbial heart-boner than the more traditional kind, as the OP describes.
Thus, cosplayers aping the aesthetics of 2B are judged (and accepted) immediately on their uh, visible merits since that's the schtick of the character, whereas the visual appeal of Malfoid seems largely incidental (since it's fanfiction, most of the appeal lies in the headcanon character dynamics), and women appropriating it are seen as missing the point at best, and vainly exploiting men's genuine bellyfeels at worst.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
10d ago
Scott complains about the way Pinker characterises the AI doomers as a "cult" who recite the "catechism" of their creed. Comparing group X to a religion or a cult is indeed a cheap way to make that group seem ridiculous
And yet, per Yud, every cause wants to be a cult (Scott himself posted on this topic too). How is he of all people surprised and even offended by comparisons to cults, surely he's smart enough to look past the emotive connotations? Isn't that just evidence that they're winning, or at least are on the right track w/r/t community building?
Less charitably - now that AI doom has gone from a fringe obsession to something actually resembling a movement with visible political influence and cultural cachet, is he finally concerned about how stuff like this reads to normies, whose support is instrumental in advancing their cause?
"I'll believe AI poses a threat to the human race when someone who hasn't had sex with Aella says so."
Kek I'll remember this one, thanks. I still think calling rationalists writ large a sex cult is uncharitable - weird sexual practices aren't a defining trait of their culture - but I agree that at this point it's undeniably a trait, can't be easily written off or ignored as convenient, and is bound to cause some friction pun not intended in the long march towards the mainstream.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
10d ago
they themselves drugged a girl
everything else plays out more like her being a gullible mark with poor self-defense skills
They were on their home turf with the strength of numbers; she was smaller and physically vulnerable
I'm sure they pitched the first dose as just a fun party drug (if they didn't straight-up spike her drink)
The drug they forced on her was a dissociative anaesthetic commonly used to tranquilize large animals
she was too far gone to speak clearly,
as far as I can see, anyone who ever accepts a drink from a guy at a party could end up slippery-sloping into this situation
I commend the smooth slide into cataclysmic gender-wide implications, "delicate social work of extricating herself safely from a roomful of big, strong, horny young men" is especially evocative. Still, this is highly overwrought, I don't particularly care for this kind of argument.
No matter how you embellish the literal descriptors, the core issue remains that the initial offer was straightforwardly unsavory, and the woman, holding highly unrealistic expectations (inb4 "what, to not be treated like a piece of meat?", to which my answer begins with "play stupid games"), decides in sound mind to take it. Afterwards rumors get out, as rumors do in their kind of environment (do we even have evidence that the guys started them?), the woman discovers she doesn't like the label that her social circle assigns to women that voluntarily participate in gangbangs, and (only at that point, not before!) reaches straight for a superweapon and outsources her problem to the public court. Judging from cordial text exchanges, she evidently didn't regret the sex she had in the short term - only the reputation it has eventually wrought her. Such oopsies are usually avoided by thinking through the things you want to do, and considering risks wherever you take them beforehand (and you vividly describe how great the risk is, here); neither the men nor the woman have done this here, and now female hypoagency dictates that she is blameless.
My issue is mostly with the last part.
we don't usually argue that the scammers should go unpunished
Would you say the fratboys are going unpunished, here? Haven't there been expulsions already? Nothing is ever enough in culture war I guess, but irregardless of that, I haven't even argued they should go unpunished - only that they don't have the entirety of the blame here, and even that seems too much to stomach. You're too comfortable putting words in my mouth.
Absent some general principle ... , what would you propose she should have done to avoid your moral opprobrium?
As mentioned above, not getting into group sex with drugs and men you barely know involved would be a good start. Not hurling spurious rape accusations as soon as her reputation came under threat would also be nice, but given that "there is only rape" I suppose the, ahem, incentives made it inevitable.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
11d ago
Implausible that you'd find a sexual instinct so strong as to be irresistible in straight men, but not appearing at all in gay male sexuality.
I don't think "not appearing at all" is valid here (I imagine gay men would also like their partners to be faithful to them, for one, though "gay relationships are just ✿better✿ without all this dumb het monkey-neuron baggage" is a common headcanon among fujos in my experience), but even assuming arguendo - really? Even without leaving the topic of gay porn, it's plainly observable that gay porn for straights, gay porn for gays, and gay porn for women are three radically different categories. Straights and gays are indeed attracted to different things. Do you think it's a coincidence that traps/femboys tend to look like young women (hint: it's in the name)?
In any case, you've missed my main point:
it's irrelevant because the central issue here is not just male preference for women's sexual exclusivity; it's male gang-bang/promiscuous seduction instinct in combination with male preference for female sexual exclusivity.
We are actually in agreement that the former produces ungood results and is overall uncouth and bad; the difference is that you also condemn the latter, whereas I point out the impossibility of being rid of it, as "the corrupting power of cock", ie sexual exclusivity, is more or less the core of male heterosexuality. You expect your gf to not fuck around, or vice versa, only elevate a woman who doesn't fuck around to the position of "gf". Visible disregard for fidelity is disqualifying.
Hence, the men's initial offer and the whole "free pussy" part were straightforwardly unsavory (and are what's actually contemptible about them, here), but the gradual dissociation from the woman after the fact, especially once the rumors started getting out, is at the very least unsurprising considering the nature of a gangbang. Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This ain't Manacled, she wasn't getting adopted by a gaggle of vampire billionaires handsome strong men as some kind of honorary gf, and the first guy to step up and defend m'lady would've instantly made himself the scapegoat hate-sink and designated loser (and I heard women happen to not like socially-shunned losers much, so everyone loses anyway). Absent airtight privacy, which I don't think you ever have at a frat house, this could only ever end in catastrophe; as mentioned somewhere downthread, in the current_year there isn't a word for "woman regrets a sexual encounter". In the grim darkness of the literal present, there is only rape.
To reiterate, much of this could have been avoided by the woman by simply uh, controlling via reason some of her baser impulses, like that to attend a drug-fueled gangbang. Even if the gentlemen in a sudden show of cojones managed to coordinate and close ranks around m'lady, with seven impulsive men and one easily-swayed woman vs. literally the entire zeitgeist hankering for a good ol' rape scandal, not to mention frat/sor heads covering their own asses, the odds are pretty grim.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
11d ago
Right, and that is "the corrupting power of cock": men's faith that any woman (not dudes, though) has irretrievably lost status, even social existence, once a bro has stuck his dick inside her. Scoot into the parallel universe of gay interactions, and penetration somehow doesn't seem to work that way.
To paraphrase Scott since I don't remember the source, don't hate the player, hate the lazy millions-of-years-old evolutionary meme generator that optimizes for stupid things. Sexual exclusivity was ~always the deal in heterosexual relationships, and seems likely to remain the deal; I too have my gripes with certain "faiths" and behaviors of women w/r/t dating and sex, but that's the table stakes.
What must it be like to interact with a female peer, knowing that you and your friends desperately want to do something to her that you fully intend will diminish her as a person in your eyes? "This will destroy and disinvite you, please please pretty please can we do it?"
Can't speak for the meatheads in question, but I imagine that nobody thought this through and (as with the woman) the idea sounded pretty exciting to the men beforehand, the immediate aftermath was pretty cordial from circumstantial evidence, and it wasn't until the inevitable rumor mill and social consequences kicked in that there was any destruction taking place. (Another strike against the social media panopticon.)
Make no mistake, I defend the men here only insofar as they are slaves to sexual/social incentives they can't unilaterally change. I am however also against promoting female hypoagency, and think that normalizing making certain choices like not getting into what sounds highly similar to a gangbang with drugs and men you barely know involved, as suggested downthread, would be a good start.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
A certain Austrian painter reacts to the AfD (cw: aislop aigem)
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
But this chick was putting out for them, putting herself out for them, and a man has at least some obligations in response to that.
...Hold up.
These guys just tried to get laid and then drop her like a hot potato, and while it's not absolutely clear to me that it was them spreading the knowledge that she'd been fuckin', it seems a little more plausible than that her sorority sisters wanted it common knowledge that they harbored sluts.
The seven young men, individually and as a group, acted like total fucking cads, and they were getting away with it.
They felt entitled to her body at face-value terms, that "consent" was the only thing needed
But what else is needed if both parties consent? Keeping it quiet? Right, after all dumb young men never brag about sexual conquests. Commitment? How do you imagine commitment in a gangbang?
You even acknowledge this in a way:
In short, they disrespected her severely, and by disrespecting her so severely, transmuted her essence from "fun woman" or even "nice, sweet girl who made a mistake" into "crazy slut," because the only person you can get away with doing that to is "crazy slut."
I would shift the focus here from the (sfw)corrupting power of cock to the incentives behind behavior, which you acknowledge for the woman but fail to apply to the men. The only person she can get away with after a gangbang is "crazy slut", but - extending this logic - what kind of person can you get away with being as a male participant? A healthy "aftermath" of sex is normally some measure of commitment to the woman, but can you imagine doing the "responsible" thing here, committing, to however small extent, to a woman you and your buddies have liberally taken turns on? Defending the honor of the nice, sweet girl who made a mistake, at the direct cost to your own status? Can you in your heart of hearts see such a man in this case as anything else but a mark, who's chosen to pay an upkeep everyone else has handily refused? Can the woman? Is the shadow of the gangbang not going to influence every joke and conversation (both with the woman and with the buddies) for years after? Remember we're talking about meatheaded fratboys here, sophisticated high-decouplers they ain't, stupid monkey neuron-activation shit absolutely can and does rule the status dynamics among those.
It would seem to me that the only winning move for a man here (insofar as the obviously superior "not to play" is not anymore an option) to preserve his status is to put on his best yes_chad.jpg face, mentally write the woman off, and proceed with business as usual. The cad-ness of the fuckboys here is largely in the gall of the initial offer (to which the woman has apparently consented); their behavior afterwards (as is hers) is entirely the result of incentives. A gangbang pretty obviously precludes any possibility of "healthy" commitment; if the woman was misled by yaoi the culture to expect otherwise, I extend my sincere condolences, but shrug play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Were they allowed to turn her into a slut just because she slept around?
Uh... turn? I thought that "someone who sleeps around" is basically the definition of "slut". Sleeping around requires having sex, and sex is a 2 (uh, 2+) players game. Bit of a chicken-egg problem, but once again I don't think the almighty power of cock is the sole answer here.
Excuse me? Then why did she have all that sex? Just for the love of the game?
I mean... why not? Does it have to be more complicated than that? My experience with horny university-age women is that they are, well, horny, and frequently think/talk about sex and sex-adjacent things even if we assume female hypoagency they're sane enough to not brazenly act on it (same as university-age men, incidentally!). One girl I knew pretty well confided to me that on her graduation party, she stumbled on the timeless Prom Classic (i.e two coeds having sex in a toilet stall) and her immediate gut reaction was along the lines of "I wish that was me...?" even as she hastily shut the door, bolted in inexplicable embarrassment, and refrained from having impulsive sexual relations that night. This is the Motte aka galaxy-brain central, so I genuinely don't mean to disparage you for positing that ackchyually the real issue is traditions and society-wide troubles three OoMs removed from the particular happening and something something incentives (hell, I literally just did the latter), but at the same time I really don't think we have to dig very deep here.
Unless you're doing a variation of the Christian server meme, this scans as unrelated bait. Casual drive-by allegations aside, how is the Motte even a meaningfully "Christian" website, other than perhaps in allowing Christians to post?
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
17d ago
I feel there is a non-zero group of very vocal women who's core argument against stuff like this basically boils down to that they hate the idea of men having to 'learn' to be 'chads'.
They don't want to find out that the man who managed to get with them used to be a socially messed up and worked hard to be charismatically smooth. They want a natural. The guy who just 'gets it'.
I hesitate to get involved with gender wars, but this particular tendency I think is very understated and much wider than merely "non-zero". This has to be a large part of why women's advice on dating their own sex is so infamously useless/counterproductive; it's less that women are evil bitches colluding in a cabal to put down even their own flesh and blood, and more that natural instincts are not always your friend when elevated into the be-all end-all of attraction (never settle, slay queen, etc). The damning part that exudes the ick is not when you don't follow the advice correctly (which to be fair also happens), it's the very fact that you need advice in the first place, or generally heed any sort of external information to improve your chances, that seems to often be taken as deception of the most craven sort whenever it comes out. Crude analogy: when people tell you "just be yourself king", the unspoken emphasis is on king, not on yourself.
I have some people in my circle that I'm baffled are still afloat and not destitute, AFAIK their life consists of short-lasting gig work (usually construction and similar things that never lack for hands and never care for INT), followed by longer periods of idle drinking/getting high, hanging around the hood, maybe gambling when the opportunity arises, etc. When money runs out, back to step 1. Granted those are mostly (lumpen-)proles, but I imagine for our specimens here it goes similarly, just adjusted for class? Mooching off friends and "friends", crashing at their places whether they want it or not, inserting yourself everywhere, knocking around trying to leverage woke credentials into gigs, cajoling rich parents which I'm pretty sure many of those specimens have, etc. Your typical "struggling artiste" type shit, basically.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
23d ago
how do such people make a living?
Reminds of the bit in Toxoplasma of Rage about parasites evolving for millions of years solely to effectively parasitize one specific species, except here millions or even hundreds of years aren't required as humans are smart and some are socially savvy enough to fake the exploitable condition (e.g. being a female lesbian) directly to extract gibs and concessions.
Obviously such people would quickly flounder outside the highly specific set of intersecting conditions that allow their schtick to work, but that's the point - the main ability of such parasites is to ape the trappings of social power bestowed by the Culture upon certain categories of people, so they can (as per Xykon's axiom) proceed to wield actual power and shout down detractors with the most effective buzzword of current_year. Fortunately, this requires such defectors to also constantly defect against each other; unfortunately, that directly ensures the most visible specimens are by far the most cunning and repulsive ones, so after ~10 years of uh, natural selection, stuff like this isn't even entertaining to watch anymore. It's just ragebait.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
27d ago
I agree that the Chinese/Korean gacha gamers, united by their schizophrenia, are a memetic force to be reckoned with (I've seen one hilarious negative Steam review in Japanese which went something like "I was told there would be NTR and I'm disappointed there isn't any, false advertising" but I can't find it now). I can even tentatively agree that Reverse Collapse was unfortunate but acceptable splash damage from the controversy, same developers after all. If all you have is a downvote, you need all the power multipliers you can get if you hope to enact actual change. If Western gaymers had 10% of their unity, camaraderie and total shamelessness, Western gaming might not've become a culturally lost cause. I have a fledgling theory better fit for the CW thread, that this and related incidents in games are local eruptions of a larger conflict, that of self-inserters (who enjoy competent MCs) vs. shippers (who enjoy diverse fleshed-out casts), and even more broadly men vs. women (whose areas of interest in gachas specifically run almost directly counter to each other), and the overall state of the gender war in a particular region/country will by itself tell you a lot about the state of games it produces.
Still, the audience having sway over the writing is a double-edged sword: Chaos Zero Nightmare, a Korean deckbuilder gacha, has had its Raymond moment (decent r*ddit summary) literally immediately upon release, and compounded with rumors of internal mismanagement eventually forced the director to make an "Emergency Livestream", a public apology, and a big shuffle at the studio, with the creative lead and some of the (female, as is tradition) writers getting removed. One obsessed schizo committed poster dutifully maintains a list of fuckups on namuwiki.
The story from that moment on has taken a sharp, almost jarring swerve towards the audience's apparent wishes, every waifufag's desires have been granted to the best ability of the writers (which to be honest is still not much). Most of the girls in the new chapters take an immediate interest in SKK the Captain, Chapter 1 in particular (the biggest offender, as the source of the Owen incident) got rewritten entirely - with a new twist of your loyal bodyguard Renoa, previously the butt of reverse-NTR jokes, turning out to actually be some sort of time goddess from the future who is personally and intimately familiar with the Captain, and literally gives him the plot device to turn back time which is a key quirk of the Captain's station and a prominent mechanic of the game. Male characters are almost entirely absent from the new story chapters, and one particular male that occurred in the story before the rewrite was, I shit you not, referred to by female pronouns in the new chapters that came after the rewrite (I'm honestly surprised Owen hasn't gotten retconned into a girl, as Raymond apparently was come global release). Whether KR translation error or actual retcon I'm not sure but uhh... based?
All of this is to say that while the KR audience largely got what it wanted, the game didn't actually get better in the story department, and if anything the omnipresent MC wank and the whole new-girl-every-banner dynamic that being a gacha necessitates, all in a setting that was originally intended to be grimdark elder-gods space opera stuff, and still retains the dressing of such... idk, maybe Asian gacha players are built different but even as a waifufag myself I can't take it seriously, it's way too on the nose. The handling of the MC in particular feels to me like the writers are desperately trying to ape the infamously-based GFL Commander, without understanding what makes skk work as a character of his own with a presence in the story despite also driving around a veritable whorehouse of T-Dorks, all of which lust after him to various degrees. Which is a real shame, CZN is another example of a gacha that is actually a good game at its core.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
27d ago
You want people to suffer enough that what they have to say may have some value.
Despite this uncharitable framing, yeschad.jpg, seeing as being human necessarily entails suffering. If this is the main distinction you want to draw between humans and clankers, I'll raise my brow but shrug and nod along so long as it leads you to the same conclusions, i.e that humans have a certain connection to their outputs in a way clankers don't and can't.
Even granting text generation is free of work (it is not), you would have to be interested in generated texts by authors that have proved their commitment through some other method.
This doesn't follow at all. Writing is both art and a means of communication at the same time, and I am perfectly qualified to check out of the implicit writer-to-reader "conversation" if I sense insincerity, regardless of the "artistic" merits of the person trying to dupe me; failing to do so, to take your example, would necessarily entail taking every human-written ad on its face as long as it looks professional enough (and all ads look professional enough, that's like the entire point). Adsloppers are definitely very committed to their creations, they have a real stake in it, yet I do not find it in myself to care. Same with clankers and their, uh, representatives.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
28d ago
Given checks notes ~450k hits on danbooru and the game coming out in 2021 (huh, somehow I thought it was older than that), I wouldn't be surprised if a decent chunk of this game's assets and fanart got into the training corpus for various imagegen models, and as such looks AI-generated because it, among many others, actually contributed to the emerging telltale sloppa style. Back when I was screwing with Stable Diffusion as it was gaining traction (and playing Genshin Impact at the time), I remember plugging "tags" of popular named characters into the prompt - no LoRAs, just rawdogging the base checkpoint with tags like ganyu_(genshin_impact) - and getting surprisingly close results just from that alone; of course it would mix up clothes and stuff, especially if there were other things in the prompts, but the overall "vibe" of the character generated would be broadly recognizable.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
29d ago
Holy shit, has Yud finally updated to however small an extent? Lemme see...
FTL (faster than light) travel: DEFINITE NO
Alright, that's a start...
Using current human technology, synthesize a normal virus that infects 90% of Earth within an hour: NO
Wow, that's actually more humble of him than I remember...
Starting from current human tech, bootstrap to nanotechnology in a week: YES
...of course, there it fucking is.
Hack a human brain - in the sense of getting the human to carry out any desired course of action, say - given a full neural wiring diagram of that human brain, and full A/V I/O with the human (eg high-resolution VR headset), unsupervised and unimpeded, over the course of a day: DEFINITE YES
Hack a human, given a week of video footage of the human in its natural environment; plus an hour of A/V exposure with the human, unsupervised and unimpeded: YES
...yyeeaahh, business as usual. closes tab
I don't know, "superintelligence, ergo nanobot swarms in your bloodstream" seems pretty close to Yud's sincerely-held beliefs, if not his beliefs verbatim. He absolutely, straightforwardly believes that intelligence is the greatest force in the universe, and since intelligence ≈ power, then trivially superintelligence ≈ omnipotence for all intents and purposes. You can plainly see it even here, in the way the rest of his post gets instantly sidetracked into minutiae of human extinction as soon as it hits his favorite bugbear, nanotechnology. I'm surprised Ctrl+F "nanobot" has no hits here, I remember nanobot swarms getting frequent mentions in his lesswrong posts, has he finally wised up to not scare the hoes?
Batomon Showdown released earlier this week, taking out a lot of my work hours from the following days, I've been waiting for it to come out since playing the demo. It's an asynchronous PvP-ish autobattler in the manner of Backpack Battles or The Bazaar, if you played one of those games you know roughly what to expect; the main difference is that instead of playing inventory tetris, you pick a trainer with a unique passive, deploy a team of up to 6 (hopefully synergistic) 'mons and get matched with another player's team to fight. As the rounds progress, you accumulate StS-style relics that boost your roster in some way, buy and upgrade better and rarer mons, and figure out a way to make number go up to keep up with scaling. Winning gets you a badge, losing takes off lives, amount increasing the further you are into the game. The goal of the game is to win 10 fights before you lose your 11 lives (10 lives + your immortal soul you literally sell to a shady trainer for a last-ditch power boost).
The game's main strength is its relative simplicity compared to other games of the genre; I like Backpack Battles but I hate its late-game optimization which all too often goes "oh great, I rolled a strong item, better spend 10 minutes painstakingly rearranging my entire board so it fits". Batomon has adjacency bonuses too but not all mons have them, and a 3x2 board doesn't leave much room for optimization anyway, so your main focus is deciding what to buy and thinking of how to scale, i.e the actually fun part of this type of games. It's relatively well-balanced, although there are obvious shitmons and some types are stronger than others (Poison/Burn is much more reliable and easier to scale than raw damage, and shields >> healing since you can overshield but not overheal and there are very few ways of boosting max hp), and ranked play does slowly crystallize into metafaggotry as I get closer to Master rank. Also unlike Backpack Battles the scaling is hilariously breakable sometimes, whether that's an upside or downside is up to you.
Its other strong side is the charming pixel art, trainer/fakemon designs are very sovlful (even surprisingly cultured in places) and feel much more faithful to the inspiration than e.g Palworld, although the occasional "ay that's literally just Torterra" overlap is, I suppose, hard to completely avoid 9 generations in.
Main weakness I would say is the relatively small dex, though the type identities are relatively fleshed out - Fire/Electric/Poison revolves around statuses, Rock is all shields all the time, Bugs are cheap and scale with more of themselves, Curio is all about trinkets, etc. I also feel like the RNG fucks you much harder here than in other games of the genre; some archetypes have mons central to the "build" working, and if you burn your entire income on rerolling without a single Dollhime to show for it so all of your trinket generation can actually start cashing out into damage, you are Shit Out of Luck, not to mention greatly behind on scaling compared to opponents, which tends to send promising runs into death spirals. But overall the game is a great time killer and I thoroughly recommend it if you're into the genre or the monster catcher aesthetic.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
30d ago
In my book, we (well, they) have practical superintelligence that's sufficient for both unprecedented productivity acceleration and really devastating, nation-crippling cyberattacks
Tangential but I've been wondering recently - what becomes of the internet writ large, if/when we do actually get open-sourced Astra+ level models which any skiddie can plausibly prompt with the Navy Seal copypasta and point at any website or domain of choice? I'm usually firmly on the "nothing ever happens" team which so far is largely bearing out (I'm still employed as a mid-tier IT monkey, even), and continue to think that any significant and un-ignore-able effects of AI on day-to-day real life, or android catgirls any "physical" manifestations of said AI, are still years away in the most optimistic case. So far I don't see sufficient reason to consider myself doomed in the short term, and live in a sufficiently old-fashioned shithole that can plausibly endure shutting down all those fancy interwebs of yours throughout without much issue (in fact total cybergulag infra destruction would actually be a positive).
Still, recent developments like the HF incident have been pretty instructive, and coupled with my experience working with gov't infra software, significantly tanked my already meager faith in the ability of pre-AI domains and software to withstand future centaur attackers (I'm not even sure if rampant vibe-coding is meaningfully less safe than "manual" spaghetti of yore in some cases). And I wonder, how does the post-open-source-AGI internet even look like in such a world? Wild West Web 2.0, where you never know which link might give your computer incurable AIDS today? Glorious RETVRN to fido/usenet/etc? Literal fucking Blackwalls cleaving apart pre-AI and post-AI interwebs, for the countries that have the capability and (more importantly) foresight to build one? Global internet splintering into insular country-wide intranets, with govt-sanctioned throttled glowing gateways to the infested formerly-global domains? Status quo unchanged because with AGI perfect defense is actually possible, give or take the cloying aftertaste of globohomo creeping into every domain (you need cutting-edge stuff after all, better make sure Claude 9 Talmud consents to your use case)?
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
1mo ago
Claude spontaneously writes insecure code for Russians, when it can clock them
Huh, is there some story behind this? My impression was that it writes insecure code for most everyone unless handheld/corrected.
I suppose I can always shill SillyTavern again, which despite a barely-responsive dev is still the most feature-complete LLM frontend I've tried; out of home for the week, I'm currently forced to use Agnaistic and I stumble over UI knobs and switches too often to be able to goon at all.
I don't have the Tavern UI before me but off the top of my head:
lets me write the overall style guide,
The prompts settings let you set the exact content and order of the entire wall of text you send to the LLM.
character / setting notes,
Main body of character notes goes into card definitions, setting can go into the additional info -> scenario field. It's sent as text anyway so this is more of a convenience thing.
"previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the last chapter" condensed history notes
goes into Author's Note, optionally buried on some # message depth in the chat history; I usually just put PAST EVENTS (separated with newlines etc.) after char defs.
and then the notes for the scene (and the beginning of the next scene to help flow). The scene notes would be a combination of "A does X, B mentions Y" and occasional inserted sentences like "The silence was interrupted by a doorbell ring" (that are more ideas for the LLM and don't need to be preserved as-is).
If you don't want to actually self-insert chat, you can just put instructions in your "replies" as long as your prompt sequence/preset says that this can be a possibility. Usually LLMs are smart enough that I can just "say" something like [OOC: now draw describe her getting an education] and get the needed continuation.
It should let me generate multiple variations, manually edit the previous prompts and generated results for continuation and crucially never delete unused generations so I can later steal sentences and ideas from them (but I don't need explicit branching from every response).
All in by default, in fact I think "swipes" and generally complete control over chats is the comfiest feature of ST by far and I have no idea why this is not the default in corpo apps. I tried the Claude app for work after years of chatbotting and I frequently raged at the stupid frontend preventing me from editing old responses or forking chats for no reason far as I can see. Cursor feels much better in this regard.
Your call on how usable ST's UI is, it's fairly customizable and I've grown to like it against my will anyway.
I'll echo other posters and caveat that my own experience with genning OC things based on my own drafts has been mostly disappointing (too prone to getting stuck on character quirks and needing to show them off in some fashion in every fucking response), but I'm not the karma police here. Might be a prompt issue on my part.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
2mo ago
Sitting down on your own shitter in your own bathroom after a multi-day work trip or a long day outside.
t. saving the game rn
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
2mo ago
Prompt injection has gone from Sci-Fi to an active concern to largely solved already.
As long as Claude (PBUH) continues to write smut for me on demand I wouldn't say prompt injection has been "solved", and I'll also note that the most impactful way they've found to actually counteract prompt injection was to just flatly shut off prefilling capability for newer versions of Claude. In my view that is an admission of defeat, and a skill issue that Anthropic has not found a way to meaningfully circumvent, so they just took their ball and went home.
Credit where credit is due, in my experience Fable is more resistant to the usual things (especially twitchy around noncon/age gaps, refusing even SFW scenarios for fear of hurting a fictional character's feelings), actually seeing refusals again after two clean years was quite disheartening in an "ah shit, here we go again" kind of way. But even so I freely admit I've gotten rusty and complacent and haven't changed out my prompts or visited the usual suspects in like a year, and I'm pretty confident that if I'd gotten around to updating my proverbial attack trajectory (and burned some credits for testing) I could still wrest my doujin-tier slop from its cold hands. Which I really should get around to honestly, 4.x versions won't remain up forever, but I feel too pacified and in any case am mostly converted to stanning Deepseek which has none of the problems.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
2mo ago
No idea, there are public community servers but I haven't tried them, and (as lamented above) nobody in my friend circle was interested. I played the entire game in singleplayer and enjoyed it very much. Considering this is at its core a survcrafting game, co-op is probably more enjoyable and there's even raid content (of sorts) for it, but PvP is likely a more jank/mixed bag.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
2mo ago
Probably the way he rephrased everything we said back at us in the interview, and then asked for confirmation.
Or the glazing and "You're right, I'll fix that" whenever there was a mistake. Apparently that's called a "Sycophantic Opener"
Also commonly known as "middle management"
Being more sensitive about their [personal] sex lives than their [political] beliefs is definitely not unique to rationalists, the tendency is virtually universal. Would you not object more harshly to someone criticizing you for who you sleep with, who you feel attracted to, than if they'd just called you a X-triber or tried to point out how stupid your politics are?
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