seething_spendcel
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seething_spendcel
28d ago
The AI says that the joke is that "she's not here right now" sounds a lot like "cheese nut hair rice now". Incredible joke! Way to come up with that one!
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
79%. Got pretty hard there at the end.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Why would anyone link you receipts if you're just going to briefly read over stuff and incorrectly assert what the actual contents are? Both stoatherd and FtttG (and others) were trying to get mkc to actually back up an argument and it devolved really, really far. Go back and read it more thoroughly.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Well, this did happen just yesterday and today in the thread you're talking in right now. Pick your poison of long "Fetch more comments" threads involving the person you just replied to. Or go to the profile in question and search "Bottom" for low-lights.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
I am amused, because I don't think I've ever seen a thread so long as the ones you were trying to argue with magicalkittycat in. I'm sure there are quite a few other posters that have done similar. I know that I personally have done similar with entirely different people where I made absolutely zero headway getting them to admit anything and gotten worked up for a long time over it.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
The reason I say that he was basically already dead was that he was about three minutes from expiring before the cops got there. The cops didn't have an ambulance with them because the caller didn't mention there had been any injuries, no medical emergencies, nothing.
If they had had an ambulance, I'd argue that he'd probably still have died, in that timeframe. The way the wound was described, it seemed like it was basically impossible to fix in the field.
@self_made_human @Throwaway05 If he had received that wound while in the operating room of a hospital surrounded by ready surgeons, could he have survived? Here are sentencing remarks describing the wound:
The knife passed through, several layers of clothing, as demonstrated by the multiple slits in his dark top where the material had been overlaid on itself in the struggle and the single slit in his shirt. It passed upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of 8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity. The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there. She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
That's not consensus building, that's genuinely how I view the situation. Juries make dumb decisions all the time. They're easy to manipulate. It's why Lee Kuan Yew did away with them in Singapore. But regardless, you should view a death by overdose helped along by negligence differently from a person stabbed to death.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Where did you get this image? It's not a frame in the bodycam video. In the bodycam video, I can't see any dagger in that location. For the image, I have no idea when it was taken, or who that is. The person looks similar, but blurry enough that I can't tell if it's the same person. And the sentencing remarks tell a completely different story than anything like this. They charged his mother explicitly for hiding a murder weapon before the police arrived.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
No, it wasn't. The dagger he used to kill him was on a sheath on his belt. But it wasn't even present when the police arrived, as the original post says. He gave it to his mother to take it into the house so it wouldn't be found. As for the blade on his chest, the bodycam footage is too low resolution for me to identify a knife there.
However, you are correct that Nowak might have seen the blade, considering that location.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
I think this is a case where you can sell it to leftists based on how you frame it. If you stick to "police bad", they'll agree, no questions asked. The moment you introduce the "white people are disfavored in two-tier policing" or "deport the immigrants", they'll sour pretty quick and condemn the entirety of the protests.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Well, I think a lot of people have come to that conclusion; I'm certainly one of them. But you can't win them all. Some people don't use this forum as much as others, and some people don't diligently read the usernames of posters.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Yes, this is the same impulse that caused me to write what I did. I was talking about it with a friend I talk about politics with in a Discord server and found that there was actually a lot to say about this one. Too bad I beat you to the punch! You had a lot of good links there.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Yes, that's another parallel to Floyd. That bodycam footage was really, really infuriating. I had to remind myself that the kid was already as good as dead when the police showed up, rather than that they caused his death.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Wow, what a great account! I will have to check Millennial Woes in the future, as the quality of that post is much better than my own and tells me many details I did not know.
The bodycam footage of Henry Nowak was released. Mostly peaceful protests ensue.
A summary of the story (most of this info is in the PDF I'm about to link, feel free to skip this section and read it yourself): Henry Nowak had had a few beers (still under the legal limit), saw the Sikh man, Vickrum Digwa, pulled out his phone and started recording, and called out to him a few times "Are you a bad man?", with Digwa replying "I am a bad man." The recording ended shortly after Digwa grabbed Nowak's phone. The judge giving the sentencing said that Nowak was not asking this with hostility in his voice (warning, PDF download); he likely was drawn to ask about it upon seeing the larger of the two knives that Digwa carried. Yes, two knives. Digwa was carrying two ceremonial knives that are permitted to him as a religious article, one of them being a kirpan, an 8 inch one, on a sheath over his waistband.
There is no video record of the struggle after the video ended, but Digwa stabbed Nowak 4 times. The stab to the chest was the fatal one, passing through all of Nowak's clothing and penetrating upwards, between the two uppermost ribs, puncturing a lung and penetrating even deeper to cut a vein behind the collarbone, a wound of 8 cm in depth. There was no apparent injury to Digwa himself, though he claimed his eye had been bruised when the police officers arrived. Digwa took some of his own videos of the dying Nowak after stabbing him, telling him he had not been stabbed. His brother, Gurpreet, made the call to 911. Before the officers arrived, Digwa handed his kirpan to his mother and told her to take it away. He also kept Nowak's phone, and didn't tell the officers he had it. Nobody told the officers that Nowak had been stabbed, certainly not Digwa, who might have been the only one present who would know that.
As shown in the bodycam video, the police arrive for Gurpreet's complaint, briefly listen to Digwa's complaint, and quickly determine that Nowak should be arrested, so they drag his limp body into a better position to be handcuffed. Nowak weakly tells them that he's been stabbed, which the arresting officer impassively denies. The other officers investigate this claim a bit more; the female officer can tell that he's in rough shape, and notes that his pupils aren't even reacting to the light. They tried CPR on him after this, presumably; in the judge's remarks, one officer was horrified to learn of the chest wound after having done chest compressions on him.
So, there's rioting. The BBC doesn't frame it quite as sympathetically as they framed the anti-racism rioting from 6 years ago, though. Which brings us to our George Floyd comparison.
George Floyd was accused of using counterfeit bills. He had been arrested many times before. When they arrested him this time, they knelt on his (neck? upper back?) as he slowly died, claiming, as Henry Nowak had when he died, that he couldn't breathe. The public saw it as an execution of Floyd just because he was black, even though Floyd actually died from the fentanyl in his system, and the kneeling was department protocol (inadvised protocol, if the suspect is having trouble breathing).
In this case, the police presumed guilt of the nearly-dead unarmed man, even as his murderer was still upright and telling all kinds of lies. The public broadly sees this as anti-white bias, paralleling the racial claims from Floyd. Unlike Floyd, Nowak was actually murdered, and he was murdered with a knife that the white members of the public can't even own or carry for self defense. They can't even carry pepper spray. That Digwa as a racial and religious outsider to Britain is also an enhancing factor.
I will interject a brief defense of the police in this case: I took a concealed carry class recently, and I have also watched a few Paul Harrell videos on the subject. In self-defense situations, you want the police on your side. The way to do this is to call them first, before the real attacker does, and establish that you are the injured party, the complainant, and he is the injurer, even if he's lying in a pool of his own blood. Digwa did these things, and hid information from the police, so it's a little more understandable that they made a mistake. In light of the Pakistani rape scandal, however, I also find it understandable if the public doesn't find it understandable, and really do suspect that the police have an anti-white bias. And of course, it's completely unacceptable that they dismissed his claims of being stabbed, especially since he was on the ground when they found him.
For me, there's a lot more meat to these protests than the 2020 BLM protests. If I lived in the UK, I would probably be protesting too (peacefully!). If liberal societies continue along their outgroup-favoritism path, they might find that the post Civil Rights Movement atmosphere, whose protocol they were acting in accordance with, has completely evaporated, and they must forge a new and uncertain path forward. That's the human condition.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Yes, the fact that they swing allows for endurance training at the same time as resistance training. Lately I've been doing the "Armor Building Complex" with my single kettlebell. "Enter the Kettlebell" recommends adult men start at 35 lbs, or 8 kilograms, or buying 8 kilograms, 12 kilograms, and 16 kilograms kettlebells if buying more than 1. That, a good pair of running shoes, and a pull-up bar are probably enough for a decent level of fitness if you actually use the equipment you're buying. But it depends on what you're going for. A kettlebell that's just 20 lbs would have been helpful for me to do a lot of practice trying cleans without bruising my forearms as much.
Yes, I agree with the original post for the most part, but this is a big part that I feel a lot of "just have kids" discourse is missing.
I thought that there might be something uniquely painful about current civilization that causes widespread suffering. I only get statistics since the 1950s for suicide rates, which have been held more or less constant, and it appears that people in Africa still kill themselves, too. So maybe it's not so uniquely painful after all. The human condition extends further back than this.
With so many jokes about working until you're dead, or reading people's clever nihilistic responses to questions like "how's it going" and "how are you", I think there is a certain amount of despair that is inherent to anyone living in any civilization. It seems to me that if you're not really getting much joy out of life in the first place, there is little community structure to give pressure to have kids, and actually having kids even after having sex is an endeavor, it's natural you're not going to go to the extra effort when you're barely hanging on yourself. The first, nihilism about working until you're dead, has been around for a very long time. The other two are new. I really think that if those two were retroactively applied to people in the past, those people in the past, too, would possess a plummeting birth rate.
Edited to add: With so much abundance provided by the government, I think it's also been shown that nobody in particular needs anyone else, like actually needs them, relies on them for support, relies on them to have kids so that they can continue to eat and live from the labor of the next generation. I think we're a purpose driven species, and lacking a purpose makes for a directionless life.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
Admittedly my post was heavier on consensus building, namely because I think Marxism is one of the most destructive forces on the planet and discovering this guy was like "oh look, here's another one of 'em, and he's denying it, the same as the rest." I will try to do better on the next top post, whatever it is, if there is another one.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
If that Republican candidate was denying that he was conservative at all, or if he was part of a new crop of conservatives running for office, that might be worth documenting. As I said, I didn't know much about this candidate, but the recent controversies led to me actually looking up what he was. He's a popular candidate with a lot of grassroots support and he shies away from actually being called the name, and as far as I can tell, a lot of people didn't know much about him either, and certainly not that he's further left than he represents himself. Near the end, I tied it into what I think is a trend for the Democratic Party, that it's going to go even further left with candidates like this one and like Zohran Mamdani. If it's trivial to assume Democratic Party candidates are going to be ACAB, well, sorry. I happen to think that's noteworthy.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
He actually did get it covered up shortly after the controversy broke.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
I don't really know where the line is. Writing up everything David Gerard did on Wikipedia is "boo outgroup" if you think what he did on Wikipedia is bad.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
He is ultimately a Bernie Bro, and even a Marxist like him is less harmful in a lot of ways compared to a standard progressive, especially since he doesn't seem like the type to read theory or even particularly care about the condemnations of other socialists. But I really think that the resurgence of socialism in plain sight should be concerning to everyone, all the same.
seething_spendcel
1mo ago
I'm supposed to believe all women, sure, but... who? Who came forward, and are their stories believable?
I can too, but it's a bit sad to me. My grandma quit nicotine with vapes by tapering down the nicotine over time. To me, it seems like it's on the whole less bad for your health, less bad for your wallet, and can be used for productive ends like quitting nicotine.
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