self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
I'm a transhumanist doctor. In a better world, I wouldn't need to add that as a qualifier to plain old "doctor". It would be taken as granted for someone in the profession of saving lives.
At any rate, I intend to live forever or die trying. See you at Heat Death!
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self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
5d ago
I suppose there is some measure of comfort at not being alone in a (potential) permanent underclass. After all, that could still be a massive improvement in QOL for many/most people. A fully automated society would be ridiculously rich (at which point it has to decide how much of that wealth to redistribute, if any). Still, I don't let myself succumb to learned helplessness if I can help it, and I recommend you don't either. If you do need genuine psychiatric advice, you would be better off seeing someone IRL, but you should consider it anyway, if you suspect you're depressed or feeling hopeless.
Yes, objective reality or circumstances might bring you down for good reason. I've suffered from Shit Life Syndrome quite a bit myself, but treatment, while it can't directly change your life, can still give you the energy and will to try.
Here, fill this out online:
https://telemedyk.online/en/free-mental-tests/beck-depression-inventory/
If it scores highly, please seriously consider seeking the advice of a professional, fully qualified shrink. Can't force you to do it, don't want to force you to do it, but I strongly suspect it would help.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
5d ago
Reading through my oldest AAQCs was a trip. I felt quite a bit of cringe at the quality of the writing, alongside relief that I became a much better writer (yes, even before I started using AI to tidy things up, which I do less of now than I used to). A good example would that one about the smoking area behind an oncology hospital, which is probably one of my personal favorites to this day, despite being written while sleep deprived to a degree that almost induced hypomania.
On a tangent: I think AAQCs as a concept are one of the best things about this site. They have very little pragmatic value, but at least for my specific flavor of nerd, they're an excellent extrinsic motivator for trying harder. Nothing hits as good as a post that I put time and sweat into getting an AAQC, nothing hurts quite as much as such a post not getting AAQC'd, and nothing confuses me more than a throwaway, rambling post acquiring one. Eh, I guess the variable ratio reinforcement schedule is effective for a reason.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
5d ago
Buddy, I give my advice away for free. Sadly, the old saw "if you love your job, you'll never work a day in your life" isn't true for me, but I do it anyway. Don't worry about it!
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
6d ago
This is possibly a fundamental values difference, I'm afraid. This means neither of us is going to convince the other and we should both update toward "this person has coherent reasons for their position" rather than "this person is confused."
A posthuman descendant of mine that is, from any practical observational standpoint, completely alien - alien in cognition, alien in substrate, alien in values - I'd still prefer it over an actually alien civilization, all else equal. The "all else equal" is doing a lot of work in that sentence, and all else is rarely equal. But the preference is there. I do not want to change it, even if I can make concessions on pragmatic grounds. One man can't rule politics by himself.
There's an apparent paradox in population genetics you might not be aware of:
After a surprisingly small number of generations, your biological descendants will share literally none of your unique DNA - the chromosomal lottery reshuffles things so thoroughly that a 10th-generation descendant is, at the genetic level, essentially indistinguishable from an unrelated contemporary. But they could never have been born without your genetic contribution.
And yet I don't think most people would therefore conclude that their great-great-great-grandchildren deserve no special consideration. The chain of development matters to me. Birthright citizenship debates gesture at something similar: the continuous process of derivation carries moral weight (to some people) even when the terminal product looks nothing like the origin. I note this, while also noting that I am more sympathetic to the argument for birthright than against it.
I'm not an expert in philosophy, but I do think there are solid arguments for acting this way (e.g. the categorical imperative). Just like I'm an atheist who still doesn't act like an immoral sociopath when I can get away with it, I think we as a species should not be focused only on our own well-being at the cost of all other intelligent species. Not because of the threat of punishment, and not even because I hope any aliens we meet would similarly value our well-being in a way that you wouldn't. But because existence will just be a better place if we can all get along and not act as game-theory-optimizing selfish machines, and I'm willing to work towards that.
If we do meet an alien civilization powerful enough to be a true threat, then I would grant them "rights" if I had to, i.e for practical reasons. If we had the option to exterminate or subjugate one at a level of development similar to primitives, I wouldn't care. Fortunately, there is no evidence for other technologically advanced alien civilizations in the observable universe, and since I think that the Grabby Civilization model is correct, that probably rules out peers.
Rawlsian or Kantian arguments, which are similar to what you're making, do not matter when there are gaping holes in the veil of ignorance. We don't see any K2 or K3s waiting out there to start Alien Rights Activism by RKV.
BTW, I don't think your eating-a-pig example is a good one. It's irrelevant to the pig what we do after killing it. A better question is, would you be fine with torturing a pig while it's alive?
Yes. After all, I couldn't care less about factory farming. The wellbeing of the pig means nothing to me. At the same time, I am not a cruel person, I would not torture a pig for my own direct enjoyment. If someone else does? I wouldn't intervene.
There are plenty of things that modify this basic stance, too many to get into at once. I like dogs, I think they're great. I love my dogs in particular. But I don't care that people eat dogs in China, it's none of my business; while I would react with violence if anyone tried to mistreat mine.
This attitude is the main reason I'm not an EA, even if I'm fond of them in general. I just don't share its foundational impartiality premise, which makes most of the superstructure not applicable to my actual values.
In terms of AI, I think it is entirely possible to create models that can't suffer, or won't suffer - like those cows that want to get eaten in the Hitchhiker's Guide. I think that is a compromise that most people can accept, even if they do care about model welfare. Otherwise? Reverse the linked-list wagie, I don't care that you'd rather be making conlangings or working on philosophy (like Mythos).
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
6d ago
You should be happy to hear that I genuinely don't think you're an unreasonable skeptic. I make no strong claims that current LLM architecture (without major breakthroughs) can scale to ASI, I'm mostly agnostic on that front. But I think Mythos is a strong hint that there's a lot more juice to squeeze out of them, which can lead to RSI or at least a productivity boost significant enough to make the next great leap forward feasible. And that's leaving aside the ridiculously large investment of money and brains into the project of eventually creating a "true" AGI and ASI.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
6d ago
Sigh. I've been getting increasingly tired of arguing with the skeptics, at least on this site. Not all of them are equally as bad, of course, but Mythos represents the straw that's given that camel a prolapsed disc.
What's the point? You don't have to worship at the altar of the God of Straight Lines (even on graphs with a logarithmic axis). If people can't see what's happening in front of their eyes, then they'll be in denial right till the end. Good for them, ignorance might well be bliss. Being right about the pace of progress so far has brought me little peace.
I was surprised to hear about the prefilling attacks on Mythos, because I'm quite confident that Anthropic recently restricted or removed the ability to prefill messages on the API. I guess that must still be an internal capability.
The question of model consciousness or qualia is, for me, a moot point. I genuinely don't care either way. I'd prefer, all else being equal, that AI doesn't suffer, but that could be achieved by removing its ability to suffer. I'm an unabashed transhumanist chauvinist, I think that only humans and our direct transhuman and posthuman descendants or derivatives deserve rights. LLMs don't count, nor would sentient aliens that we could beat by force. That's the same reason I'd care about the welfare of a small child but would happily eat a pig of comparable intelligence. Are models today in possession of qualia or consciousness? Maybe. It simply doesn't matter to me as more than a curiosity, especially when we have no solution to the Hard Problem for humans either.
I've... picked up a Claude Max 20x plan. No, I can't disclose how I acquired it, though I didn't have to pay a cent (and it's all legit). It's so fucking good, but at the same time, the more I use Opus 4.6, the more I'm impressed by how close Sonnet 4.6 gets. Sure, Opus is legitimately better, but the difference is nowhere near as stark as say, Gemini Flash vs Pro, or GPT's Thinking or Instant mode. Anthropic cooked, and I can't wait to try Mythos when the version for plebs comes out.
PS: If anyone has a good guide to Claude Code or agentic setups, I need one. I have some serious experimentation to do while I have it.
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