theincompetencetheorist
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Yes this is a fantastic description of something of a core what I think the "woke" is. The affluent talking down on regular people. The culture war has never been liberals vs conservatives. The recent boycotts are not conservative campaigns, in essence is the less affluent go "WTF" and not buying any of it. The affluent don't shop at Target or drink Bud Light. The virtue signaling is worthless for the less affluent because they know they won't have a higher status if they follow the signaling.
I've also considered why all of this virtue signaling is backfiring right now. And I have three interacting reasons which more or less (perhaps not at all but hey I'm only a midwit on the internet with a pseudonym)
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The woke thumb on the scale disappeared from Twitter when Elon took over. So the attempts at socially engineering the tiny percentage of people who has had the time for Twitter and not have the promotions and/or punishments to the adherence to the message isn't trickling in to peoples media. The coordination for the journalists is simply gone to affect their biases in reporting.
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The cheap access to credit that has propped up non-profitable aspects of woke has dried up. So Buzzfeed News and Vice has been dependent on that a lot of money has sloshed around in the monetary system, and in hard times the bottom line actually matters. All of a sudden DEI becomes corporate waste because it doesn't help the bottom line.
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The affluent managed to isolate themselves with everything that they consume through their media thinking that their project is going just fine. But they manage to censor out the real thoughts of less affluent people and not knowing that their social engineering only worked on themselves. People don't watch the tv-shows or movies they promote because they aren't any good, not because they are "conservative". And we would be doing ourselves big disservice buying into their narrative. The little mermaid live remake is not made for children solely based on the run length of the movie and the art style. Anyone blaming the "right" for failing just don't understand children should be catereted to when making a family movie.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
So I think you miss the mark a little. Wokeness doesn't survive contact with normal people. There is a bunch of people who are experiencing the trans-ideology for the first time and simply are not getting with the program. This is not liberal vs. conservative it is "terminally online" vs "people in the real world". The biggest lie that the woke tell us is that everything is political.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Why is anyone wasting any money on any of this stuff in the first place?
“Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.”
― George Carlin
DEI is the tool that is used to scare you into obidience of due to its arbitrariness. DEI is based on something that rebukes objective reality and stacks arbitrary relativistic moral values which you can't predict logically.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
For this reason I think it is unsurprising that so many leftist forms of social media - I will call out Reddit and Twitter in particular - are geared towards short-form content: 280 character posts;
Leftist in this case just "co-opted by the establishment" and if that establishment milieu would have been to the right at the time of co-option would have been on the right. Both of these sites have had owners (until recently with Twitter) that has accepted losses on them. They have never been profitable, yet the establishment through investment have been pouring money into them. We need to stop ourselves and ask why? Is it because these are the factories where our consent is manufactured? Is it the battlefields where culture war is waged? Is it the place where they can put their thumbs on the algorithmic scales to nudge us to consume certain content? Are these the places where our internet culture is formed? Simply put 'Cui Bono?' because the sites themselves aren't profitable but yet investments are poured in!
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
I'm fortunate and I'm lucky to have job that I consider "fulfilling". I just stopped chasing productivity to make myself a better worker, not that I don't want to become better to feel good about what I do. The thing here is that what I've given up on is very specific, I've stopped chasing productivity for my employers and starting to do stuff that I find interesting and where I can feel that I have mastery. Everything I do it is for me. I made move in my career to have a more general so I can be hired by a broader set of companies than doing hyperspecialized stuff that is only applicable for my employer and their competitors. Because of you becoming a better worker is benefitting your employer more than it benefits you. You'll just get more work.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Well the 'wall of text' essentially says that we can economically plan ourselves out of the crisis of unemployment caused by automation. The thing the 'wall of text' is claiming that those who read e.g. Hayek don't have an argument against doing planning. So the podcaster in question wrote https://mises.org/wire/socialism-calculation-problem-not-knowledge-problem-0 which is the core of it their spoken argument extended to the claim that we can use AI to solve the calculation problem of planning resource allocation. Talking an hour about it is not being to come up with an argument against it.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
'heavily tax the productive parts and redistribute to the now-unemployable'
It is only a semantic difference of ceasing the means of production to distribute it equitably to the proletariat.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Conservatives struggle for lack of counter-argument.
And cybersyns failure was because of a CIA plot not that plan economies never work even if you have fantastic automation.
I'll undelete my comment and I was in a slightly bad mood as I wrote it. But the wording is important, by my own accord. i.e. my productivity is improving for work and so on I just don't use my free time to make myself more produtive(I have hobbies that doesn't involve work, like sitting here and commenting occasionally). Well the reason is because of the concept the market for lemons. There is a simple description of it but the most succint way of explaining it is that information asymmetry leads that things priced lower in the market because the buyer can't valuate it properly. There is also a nasty effect that information assymetry is used to suppress your wage and turning a blind eye to information that would give a reason to price it accurately. It is the direct and local effect why my choice of trying to have a life outside of work like most people. I just discovered that I was priced the same as the guy that produced fast and sloppy work and was considered "more productive" even though the error accumulation made our productivity equal. This was almost two decades ago I came to the conclusion. An ambitious former colleague of mine came with a story last month: a performance review of "exceed expectation" didn't lead to a wage increase because there wasn't "development potential". This is constant and reinforcing my belief that I made the right choice 20 years ago.
And even looking at the macro economic perspective. No one is getting their fair share of productivity increases since the 1970:s ... the numbers are clear regular wage workers has hade a smaller real wage growth compared to the increase of productivity.. And that gap has been compensated with easy cheap credit deregulated to the point of threatening a systemic collapse 2008 - 2009. And as soon as people caught on to this the protests were derailed by a culture war.
Edit: lets add another source that is not clearly left-leaning : https://www.oecd.org/economy/decoupling-of-wages-from-productivity/
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
I know close to nothing about econ,
The day I learned how the economy worked is the day I stopped improving my productivity by my own accord. The economic system is thoroughly rigged. With luck and grit you can escape but if you are unlucky none of your hard work will matter. I just stopped playing the game and do as I'm told instead.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
In my mind the defining moment when woke burst on to the scene was Occupy Wall Street when the likes of Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and John Oliver still made fun of the woke ideas that were implemented there. And if you look at those three, they are beholden to ESG ratings of their paymasters and they aren't making fun of it anymore. Just a little anecdote there to do a comparison to the paper!
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Well the big problem with the whole Piracy discussion is to transcend the discussion around ethics and get to the discussion of how much democracy we are willing to sacrifice in protection of Disneys profits... Personally I don't mind the concept of Intellectual Property but if the enforcement of that concept means that I can't have a private encrypted conversation online under the guise of I might be sharing a copy of digital work that someone should be profiting off, then we are going to have a problem!
The whole notion of that my internet connections should be disconnected if it is probable that I engage in piracy shows up in a "free trade agreement" like ACTA is not because Lars Ulrich is a greedy whiny bitch, it is to protect corporate profits of media companies like Disney and Warner. No thanks.
The most worrying thing is the convergence of people that are interested in disallowing private encrypted telecommunication guise of that I might be a kiddie fiddler(EU:s suggested chat control) or subverting US interests online(The Restrict Act). They are essentially reheating the piracy arguments with really morally reprehensible people in hopes of disallowing the plebs of discussing in private on Signal that might be a threat to the Elites power. But hey that Bud Light controversy was awfully conveniently timed to distract the Zeitgeist around Restrict Act.
Note to the reader: I don't have time to write better since I'm pressed for time hopefully I'll get time to give good replies.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Don't try to force yourself to read them if you aren't enjoying it. Maybe it is something in the old writing style that doesn't agree with you. I remember when Dan Brown was all the rage and I really wanted to like the books but... I only managed read Digital Fortress to completion and I hated it. There are so many other books and authors out there to read. I might be getting back into reading the Three Body Problem trilogy again, I needed a break after the first book since it gave me a bit of existential angst.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
This is the kind of sophistry one would expect from random online arguments, and I'm sure you can identity similar instances even in this very forum.
Because it is from random online arguments that they learned it from and apply it to academic discourse. My personal belief: It marks the end for the US hegemony as an academic power and there is little chance to undo it. My prediction: this will leak into other sciences and cause Lysenkoism 2.0 with mass causalities.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Well my tinfoil hat days are over now. Now I only believe in incompetence theories(as per my new online persona) with a heavy dose of corruption. But a big part why I'm trying to be less involved is because I'm not American. Conservatives boycotting piss-water is not worthy my time and I'm trying(fairly unsuccessfully since I'm aware of it) to stop in caring about it. My only goal here is to adjust my worldview towards something more accurate, testing it and/or share my findings hoping that someone else might find them useful.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
With my fasting of culture war topics have given me a little distance and reinforcement that a big part of the culture war is just the elites talking down on us plebs and the plebs going "what do you mean that you don't know what a woman is?"!
It could very well be that a part of the Hollywood "wokeness" is wresting away controll of profitable IP:s or kill them off while trying. Hollywood accounting tricks are well known and it is prominent in other creative industries like the recording industry. But then there is also an aspect of Hollywood wokeness is just old fashioned nepotism and using woke shibboleths to signal being part of the group. A while ago read an article (which for some reason google is not finding, suspicius) that analyzed the ties of woke Hollywood writers on Twitter with their public interactions on there. No surpise that they all knew each other and went to the same colleges and so on.
There is a difference between hypothesis/theory put forward in the book that it is something inherent in our current monetary system where cheap credit makes people and organizations less careful how they budget it and the policy prescriptions of changes in the monetary system. You can derive value of from framework the book provides for what we the consequences are for an inflationary monetary system and an explanation what we are currently seeing. It looks like unprofitable initiatives within corporations has been fueled by cheap credit and when it recently disappeared we then the unprofitable ventures are being pressured. You don't have to believe the solutions in the book to enjoy the bit of predictive power it provides. Edit: "A little predictive power" I mean that you can see that somethings wont last but can't see which is the first domino to fall or by how much which requires a bit more thought and knowledge. Case in point is renewable energy, the expansion has been fueled by cheap credit but energy prices has been keeping up with the interest rates so they aren't being pressured as much by this crisis.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Well the FED didn't create wokeness but the conditions is because of their actions. You are touching upon the idea that Austrian Economists call misallocation of capital. You can read about it in The Skyscraper Curse.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
The reason I introduced it has nothing do with overcrowding, it is the observed results of behavior change when they where given everything that they ever could want. Some populations just exploded and then collapsed because overemphasis of a single behavior like eating, because infant rats aren't taken care of. So I use it as an analogy of modern life where we have everything to make us comfortable but some people have adopted behaviors which doesn't take society forward, like pushing junk science on potential existential risks.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
For me more likely there is an overcrowding in the AI-safety where you have libertarians and wokies trying to panic with different implausible scenarios.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
A part of the problem is that some of the AI safety crowd are the victims of the Behavioral_sink. Leading way to comfortable lives that they even claim that 'words are violence'. It was 'safety' concerns that shutdown the Stanfords public Alpaca demo. They are stuck in a local maxima for their likes and retweets, claiming that FN Meka isn't allowed to rap about police violence because it isn't a lived experience, or that virtual Seinfeld jokes are harmful to the trans community. But the biggest danger is what they are themselves trapped in.... the behavioral sink and that more people will be stuck in digital quicksand because of AI.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
She just simply follows the science? So what part of that IPCC report says that climate change stole her childhood?
I haven't listened to the whole conversation but what I've heard and seen I have question. When did Autistic Catastrophizing become accepted by the mainstream? We got Greta Thunberg and now we have the "Big Yud" getting his opinion in the Time.
How do I become mainstream with my Catastrophizing that the combination of attention grabbing AI that subvert our lives with knowledge of behavioral psychology and the combination with generative AI giving us personalized content just massaging our brains just right? Imagine people trapped in a pleasure cube just watching personal generated colors and sounds that only has meaning to them....
Not to peddle a conspiracy theory here and claim any kind of knowledge here. Also I haven't watched the podcast either. Is it plausible that chemical companies that produce endocrine disruptors could be funding trans activism to supress any narrative that gender dysphoria can be because of environmental factors? Is it plausible that research into endocrine disruptors has been defunded at universitys because the line of research is deemed "transphobic"?
To reiterate, I'm not claiming that I have documents/references to any kind of evidence that this is happening. I'm just entertaining the thought that it is possible that it is something that is happening. This is just an idea knowing how the tobacco industry behaved when a link between smoking and lungcancer showed up and how much hard work they put in to discredit any research into it.
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