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The_Nybbler

If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.

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The_Nybbler

If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.

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So, why then are there millions of Iranians calling for regime change?

I don't know how many there are. But it's a country of 90 million. There could be a discontented 10% calling for regime change, and that would be 9 million people, and still the vast majority of the country could support the regime. Muslims just seem to like fundamentalist Islamic rule.

Russia doesn't have the capacity to support Iran now and China just doesn't care (nor does it have the capacity to defend them). They're on their own.

A mistake the current regime will not make.

Ok, so you agree then that the present regime is imposing Shia theocracy on its populace?

They're a Shia theocratic regime ruling over Shiites. No imposing necessary.

Are you aware of the basic facts of the aftermath of the Islamic Revolution?

Sure, lots of Death-To-America rallies, lots of Westernized Iranians who hadn't fled (among others) getting killed. Basically consolidation of power. Worked, too.

Capable of understanding its' been nearly 50 years and the theocratic regime does not have democratic legitimacy, since it's an illiberal, sham democracy?

They don't need democratic legitimacy. With most of the people they have religious legitimacy, and for the malcontents they have the sword.

You're seriously arguing that the Iranians are happier with Shia fundamentalism imposed upon them?

It's not imposed upon them, it's home-grown. They chose it in 1979.

The news is not reporting the total number of protestors. If it's millions... well, Iran has 90 million. Perfectly viable without all the protesters.

Support would be more difficult? We're no longer in a cold war? We have an even more mercurial President?

If you're gunning down crowds, I guess. If it's riot suppression, normally you wouldn't get anywhere close to that number, people don't behave like an army and just disperse.

If you're trying to kill them, you block their escape before machine-gunning them. As a bonus, you'll probably get even more killed from the trampling.

Unless the Shia clerics can drink blood and summon rain, you can't kill your way out of having no water.

They don't have literally zero water. And killing indeed reduces demand, though it's unlikely they'll kill enough to make a dent.

If the Iranian opposition starts getting denied water, they have literally nothing to lose but their lives - which their evil government is determined to do by dehydration and starvation.

So the government simply reserves what water it has for its security forces, and the dehydrated and starving people are easier to kill.

The humanitarian catastrophe is already priced in: intervention is the difference between a impoverished but recovering democracy and an atrocity on par with the Great Leap Forward.

Note that the regime which did the Great Leap Forward is still in power.

You mean when we restored the House of al-Sabah, just deposed by Iraq? Sure, that worked out OK, but it was a much different sort of intervention, and part of a larger one which didn't go so well.

But at least half of this is circular. Iran would not need to worry about being crushed by Israel and the US if they credibly overhauled themselves into an enlightenment-values democracy

And the US wouldn't have had to worry about being attacked by Osama bin Ladin if we'd credibly overhauled ourselves into an Islamic theocracy. These are not reasonable things to ask.

Iran has 90 million people. This "mass uprising" is what, a few tens of thousands? Maybe a hundred thousand? They can just kill them all; then the remaining few dissenters are cowed and the loyal Islamists are satisfied.

The protestors are, at a minimum, holding out for promised US support.

Evidently they are unfamiliar with the US record in this regard.

Look, I understand that Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria were glorious boondoggles.

Iraq actually went rather well by these standards. And it's still shit.

It's an incompetent regime.

The Soviets were incompetent for 70 years. I mean, to the point of holding all of Ukraine and STILL not being able to feed themselves. Still took a leader not willing to massacre his way out to allow it to fall. The Iranian regime is still willing to massacre its way out.

Won't matter if the in-country opposition is all dead by the time it happens.

Because all the PREVIOUS US interventions in the Middle East in general and Iran in particular have gone SO well.

Do you understand that it's not a valid critique to ask for something that couldn't be possible beforehand as a necessary variable?

Sure it is. It's tantamount to saying that the Iranian regime has successfully arranged for themselves to be not removable by air attack, but there's no reason that can't be true.

Also as the current structure was the result of the Iranian Revolution / Islamic Revolution shouldn't the current thing be 'anti-revolutionary violence'?

Almsot 50 years of essentially uncontested rule later and you're no longer the Revolution, you're the Establishment. Whatever you call yourself.

The officer was not in front of the car when she began backing up. Her reverse maneuver is what put him (barely) there. Certainly it is true there are places he could have been (Cleveland, for instance) where no action on her part could have put him in front of the car, but in fact he didn't put himself there.

It’s so consistent it should be part of the anti-ICE training manuals. Never drive in a way where it could even unreasonably be interpreted that you’re going to collide with police.

They're not written for the benefit of the cannon fodder.

Also, Barnes v. Felix was a case where the cop was not in the path of the car -- he jumped up onto the doorsill after the car started fleeing. The Fifth Circuit ruled only the 2 seconds immediately before the shoot could be considered, and the Supreme Court unanimously overruled that and said the "totality of the circumstances" must be considered.

Excuse me, did you miss the "shout your abortion" campaign like a decade ago? The way people reacted to Margaret Thatcher's death?

And Antonin Scalia's.

Qualified immunity is a civil doctrine. The cop has neither absolute nor qualified immunity. He has what's called Supremacy Clause immunity from state prosecution.

That was a big wall of text. But, the main thing I'm responding to is this:

This is so obviously a murder.

No. It was so obviously not a murder. And that is why Noem and Vance are right to do what they're doing and not do the normal professional thing. The normal professional thing is for the administration to refuse to comment and insist on letting the process take place. Then, in a few months, when the officer is acquitted, you get ANOTHER round of protests and more bad press as to how murders are being excused. An environment where people refuse to see the reality in front of them and insist on substituting their own headcanon is not one where an impartial process can help. Nobody's going to believe there is such a process, and nobody will believe the outcome of such a process. If the process were to happen in state courts and is investigated by state investigators, the cop gets railroaded. If it happens in Federal courts, he gets exonerated (rightly or wrongly). The possibility of one side merely making a mistake is utterly absent. The possibility of correcting the mistake, then, is also absent; this is all conflict.

Certainly, however, this explains why so many wanting to condemn the officer insist he was not hit by the SUV. He was, in fact, hit by the SUV, and that ruins so many useful claims, such as that she could not have been attempting to run him over, or that he could not have been in reasonable fear that he would be run over.

Yeah, something's wrong here. Something's wrong with the idea that a mother of three thinks she can obstruct a police operation and then when they go to arrest her for it, flee in a way that at the very least demonstrates reckless disregard towards the life of the police officer she hit, and nothing at all will happen to her. She was wrong. And something's wrong with the fact that so many people think she should have been right.

You can't really have "a rival faction" when the police state kills those off immediately in the normal course of business.

Yes, that's what the police state is for.

Eventually the regime is just going to machine gun the protestors and get on with life. There are plenty of Iranians who support the regime, after all.