The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
7hr ago
If one random guy is stopped all the time he SHOULD have redress... but is this actually happening? Not so far as I can tell. The US citizens detained seem to be either protestors who were arrested for something other than immigration, people who were mistakenly thought to be targeted illegal aliens, and people who happened to be around where ICE was raiding looking for other illegal aliens. None of those seem likely to be repeated.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
9hr ago
Yes, now protestors can ask ICE agents for their ID, but if the ICE agents don't give it, they've done nothing wrong. If they were required to give it, protestors could and would do exactly as I said, and the agents or ICE itself would be in trouble if they didn't answer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
9hr ago
We don't arrest people for being 'likely' to commit a crime.
We actually do arrest people for having 'likely' committed a crime. That's what "probable cause" is. And as @LotsRegret points out, we sometimes do detain people on an even lesser standard even if we think they haven't committed a crime yet (the original "articulable suspicion" case, Terry v. Ohio was about a robber casing a target, IIRC)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10hr ago
· Edited 10hr ago
Has this ever happened?
I believe the reason activists want ICE agents unmasked is so they can engage in more harassment against them in their private lives, and I further believe many in the Democratic establishment are unwilling to protect them from this if and when it happens. So given that, there really needs to be more than a theoretical abuse on the other side.
Get establishment Democrats (including Tim Walz and Democratically-appointed judges) on board with ICE being a legitimate law enforcement agency whose personnel are not fair game, and I'll go back to opposing masks.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
11hr ago
Has anyone not been identifiable when a subpoena has been issued?
The_Nybbler
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12hr ago
Certainly he would wait until late January 2027.
The_Nybbler
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12hr ago
I propose that, if a government employee's targets can't even identify them, that employee is not accountable in a meaningful sense. A third party can identify them, but it's the target's political opponents, also meaningless.
Who exactly has not been identifiable by their target? The ICE officials involved in an arrest or detention are all a matter of record, which is available by subpoena should the target initiate a lawsuit.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
13hr ago
My position, the steelman you asked for, is that we cannot absolve law enforcement officers of all accountability as a precaution.
Them wearing masks isn't absolving them of accountability.
I would certainly prefer they don't wear masks. But the behavior of "protestors" finding out who ICE agents are and getting into their private lives (most publicly with the Don Lemon church invasion), especially combined with the unwillingness of anyone who opposes Trump to allow any moves against such protestors, demonstrates they have good reason for it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
13hr ago
The government won't shut down. Only DHS funding. And if he tries to shift funding around every Federal judge will immediately say "no", including the Robed 9.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
13hr ago
If the officer could reload a previous save game and redo that event knowing what he does now, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't shoot.
Which is equivalent to precognition. There was no way for him to know at the time he made the decision to shoot that the car would hit him but not seriously injure him. Making judgements based on knowledge that nobody at the time had is a completely unreasonable standard.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
13hr ago
In which case ICE should have some idea who they are before detaining them.
The "atrocities" this is supposed to stop are cases where US citizens who did not provide ID and were believed to be an illegal alien that ICE was looking for were arrested and detained until they were identified. This would allow any actual alien to avoid detention by refusing to identify themselves.
What, like in the middle of a contested arrest? To every protestor who asks? (and if you think they won't DDOS enforcement that way, you haven't been paying attention)
Why isn't this a problem for every other type of law enforcement?
Because they're not required to tell their badge number and last name to anyone who asks.
You're trying to conjure up an absurd situation that in practice would not be an issue.
Sure it would. Protestors would go up to ICE agents and ask their badge number, over and over again, just so they could film it when the ICE agent quit answering because he had something else to do.
These demands are only unreasonable if you assume the least charitable implementation, rather than treating them as what they are - the first round of negotiations.
The least charitable implementation is what to expect.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
13hr ago
Why should they compromise? They hold all the cards. Either the Republicans capitulate, or the Democrats shut down DHS, which they're fine with.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
16hr ago
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
17hr ago
Greenland was joking until it wasn't.
Not joking, trolling. And if it wasn't... why isn't Greenland under US occupation?
Gaza was joking (really funny joking, actually) until it wasn't.
What joking?
After Greenland, I am pretty tired of the "just trolling" defense. If he is trolling, it's fundamentally indistinguishable from when he is not trolling.
It's indistinguishable to you because you were successfully trolled. Trump never had any intention of invading Canada or Greenland; he just made ambiguous remarks and let the media get hysterical when he refused to rule it out.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
Careful, that consensus is breaking, too. DNI director seizing Georgia ballots just weeks after the takeover of Venezuela isn't a good look for the most fair election ever.
The Atlantic tells me that while a corrupt Fulton County prosecutor investigating Trump was fine, and the FBI faking up a damning photo of Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents was fine, the Trump administration investigating Fulton County is yet another unprecedented threat to democracy. It's all who/whom and not even subtle. And in a case with no stakes; no matter what the investigation finds, Biden's term is in the past, and anyway no one who matters will believe even the smokingest of smoking guns -- but of course that isn't going to exist, because if it ever did it would have been destroyed. And if nothing is found... well, no one who thought the election was crooked is going to change their mind either.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
"the salient thing about the Nazis is that they seized power and brutally eliminated all dissent, the Jew-killing just came later as a natural consequence"
This isn't true. The Jew-killing was a goal separate from seizing power and eliminating all dissent, not a consequence of it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
19hr ago
And if 'getting what's on the shelf' is a metaphor for survival? Maintenance of human dignity?
Then she dies or becomes undignified. Two very different things, I might point out. Bob may find it undignified to act as Alice's fetch-and-carry servant.
Can you be certain that the precedent that you set won't come back to bite you in the hindquarters?
Oh, certainly, because I'm setting no precedent at all. If the situation appears reversed, Alice-partisans will find some reason this principle doesn't apply.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
19hr ago
But it still also was a bad shot, in the sense that, as you say, with the benefit of hindsight we know he wouldn't have gotten run over.
If it was a bad shoot only if the shooter had precognition, it was a good shoot.
it is claimed that literally not a single agent has been killed in the line of duty in the past few years
Nothing would change if a few ICE agents had been killed. The Twitterati would lie and say they weren't, and the actual media would ignore and downplay it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
19hr ago
Some jurors believe in the process. Others have a side. And this correlates with which side they're on.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
19hr ago
· Edited 18hr ago
Demonstrating that a minority of Democrats can do what a majority of Republicans (plus the President) can't do -- shut down a department of the US government. The Republicans, of course, were utter fools when they allowed DHS funding to be separated, because they lost all their leverage.
Most of these demands are entirely unreasonable under the circumstances.
- Require verification that a person is not a U.S. citizen before holding them in immigration detention.
Uhh, if someone ICE suspects is an illegal alien doesn't have ID, how is ICE to verify they aren't a US citizen without ever detaining them? Just "trust me, bro"?
- Require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.
What, like in the middle of a contested arrest? To every protestor who asks? (and if you think they won't DDOS enforcement that way, you haven't been paying attention)
- Prohibit funds from being used to conduct enforcement near sensitive locations, including medical facilities, schools, child-care facilities, churches, polling places, courts, etc.
Learning from the anti-gun people, are they?
- Prohibit DHS officers from conducting stops, questioning and searches based on an individual’s presence at certain locations, their job, their spoken language and accent or their race and ethnicity.
Apparently the only way they're allowed to determine someone is illegal is being told by a higher power.
- Preserve the ability of State and local jurisdictions to investigate and prosecute potential crimes and use of excessive force incidents.
Given the bad faith from Tim Walz, entirely ridiculous.
- Require use of body-worn cameras when interacting with the public and mandate requirements for the storage and access of footage. Prohibit tracking, creating or maintaining databases of individuals participating in First Amendment activities.
The second might be reasonable if applied to everything. As a special pleading to protect leftist protestors, it's unreasonable.
- No Paramilitary Police. Regulate and standardize the type of uniforms and equipment DHS officers carry during enforcement operations to bring them in line with civil enforcement.
Police ARE paramilitary, and making them more uniform wouldn't make them less paramilitary. I'm fairly sure other civil enforcement is at least as varied as ICE, so this is BS anyway.
Several of the things they're objecting (e.g. stopping people who they suspect are aliens) to are authorized by statute, so this is exactly a minority getting to change the law.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
I guess she doesn't get what's on the shelf then, unless Bob is feeling magnanimous.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
There isn't any difference. Whatever issue they are focusing on at the time, whether gay marriage, the social program du jour, or some tax, will be framed as a human rights issue.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Google Books only provides evidence of the term to ~1990, though there's lots of speculation with it starting with A Streetcar Named Desire (1951), and I find a 1977 mention (in a book called _Wife Beating: The Silent Crisis) of the stereotype (referring back to Streetcar) without the term. Cops goes back to 1989, so the timing fits, but I have no other evidence.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Official definitions be damned, I'm in that-sort-of-diner central and only limited access roads are termed expressways. Nobody calls anything a "freeway", they look at you like you're from California if you do that.
The Conowingo Diner I mentioned was on a part of Route 1 that wasn't (and still isn't) divided, so it wasn't even an expressway by the MUTCD defintion. It was here, where the Royal Farms is, though IIRC Route 1 was two lanes rather than 3 when it was open.
There's actually a big difference between violating a term limit and doing away with the peaceful transfer of power. Trump isn't going to do either, but the former is what he's joking about.
But if after the midterms the House wants to impeach him a third time on the grounds of making Trump 2028 merchandise... hey, I can afford C-Span and popcorn.
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