ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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8hr ago
If the tweet was more recent, would you find it more convincing? Because I'm pretty sure in this thread alone people linked to a few. Also news and think tank articles (though I suppose the latter points more to the US than Israel).
ArjinFerman
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14hr ago
but before that this issue was strongly driven by conservatives.
It's a bit more complicated than that. In 2017 North Carolina passed a anti-trans bathroom bill, and the pro-trans side organized a massive boycott against the state. After that conservatives refused to touch the topic with a 10 foot pole. Even on here / back on reddit we used to have pro-trans people use that incident to crow about how popular their issue is. During that time, it was actually the feminists that were trying to keep the conversation on it alive.
In the US, the TERFs lost and you can no longer be a feminist in good standing unless your feminism includes men pretending to be women. In the UK the battle between trans-inclusive and womyn-born-womyn feminisms is ongoing,
I don't think there's that much of a difference between the two countries in that regard. Much like in the UK, in the US a significant amount of the pushback against trans in led by feminists. Sure, they're not in good standing, but neither are the UK feminists. They all, including Rowling herself, get blacklisted, smeared, excluded from debates, etc. The actual difference that might exist is that in the US TERFs have chosen to cooperate with conservatives (likely for lack of other options), while in the UK they have enough numbers / institutional positioning to do their own thing.
ArjinFerman
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19hr ago
I think it's this fellow
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Sure, and while I can imagine how you could add, for example, Greenland, or vast swathes of China or Russia into the list, Ceuta and Melilla simply don't qualify. They're Spanish cities with Spaniards as residents, and they have been for centuries.
The idea of a conspiracy is unnecessary to explain is happening.
Strictly speaking conspiracy is unnecessary even for things that have actually resulted from conspiracy.
An ideology can spread and control politicians' actions without there being a conspiracy to spread it.
They're the same picture. If politicians pushing through policies against the wishes of the electorate because of their ideology, they are engaging in a conspiracy.
Its main immigration-related goal is not replacement, it is to treat migrants very altruistically,
How exactly did you come to know this?
Europe is pretty deranged about this, yes EU countries are legally required to provide room and board to anyone crying "asylum". Sometimes that's not as great as it sounds, as depending on the country and their attitude towards refugees, they can be put into some old barracks, far from any population center. However, Spain in particular is known to have used hotels to house refugees. What other benefits are stacked on top of that varies country by country, but even basic accommodations will sound like a pretty good deal for someone wanting to roll the dice on amnesty.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Well, good to hear that things aren't as insane as I feared.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Yeah, I was wondering if he didn't throw a grenade afterwards...
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Ok, so if we agree that there probably is scheming on the part of Morocco, I understand if this won't be enough to convince you, but is it really so hard to understand why some people might believe that countries with think thanks openly writing articles about precisely how something like this could be done, might have dropped a few helpful hints for Morocco's scheme?
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
, but in this case is not necessary as asylum claim protects one from deportation, and nobody seems to want to deport them now.
It formalizes your presence in the country, entitles you to room and board, and like I said, would result in you getting relocated into the mainland free of charge.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
It seems too me that the Israelis are enjoying the schadenfreude of their enemies getting to deal with rowdy Muslims rather than coordinating anything
Normally what people do in situations like this is attack the current government, and boost the opposition that would be more favorable to them. Engaging in this type schadenfreude is somewhere between stupid and "when people tell you who they are, believe them".
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
The US right only has two allies - Israel and Argentina. Israel has well no allies.
Portraying Israel as an ally to the US, with the US not reciprocating really is something...
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
If you want to have some fun at his expense for being monothematic, fine.
If you want to act like "tee hee, this is all purely organic, no further explanation necessary", that's deranged. Take Israel out of the picture for a moment, do you think when thousands of Iraqis were trying to cross to the EU by way of Belarus, that was also completely organic, no further explanation necessary, or does the sudden appearance of multitudes of migrants from the middle east in one of the most authoritarian countries in the world imply that there was a certain amount of dark scheming (on the part of Belarus and Russia) to screw over Europe? Similarly, do you think that people being shipped by literal truckloads might imply some amount of dark scheming on the part of Morocco?
Ferrying 60 thousand people would take a while I imagine?
Sure.
Do they have any checkpoints at the entrance/exit?
Once in Ceuta, you're already on the territory of Spain, unless this is some weird special case, there are no checkpoints while travelling inside the country, or even to anywhere within the EU.
Do they even have money to pay for the tickets
Ferry tickets aren't that expensive, and even Syrian refugees from 2015 had significant amounts (to the tune of $10K) that they'd pay to human smugglers.
Also, doesn't seem to be happening
Sure, it might not pan out this way, but the plan is far from crazy.
I also just thought of another obvious play - cross the border, and cry "asylum". It will take years before they kick you out, and they might even relocate you to the mainland on their own dime.
What on earth are you talking about? "The local government?" The "local" government" is the sovereign government of Spai
Yes, as opposed to larger political entities like the European Union.
currently managed by left-wing politicians who deliberately supported what is happening. "Bumbling around randomly"? Doesn't have the characteristics of a "single ideology"? What on earth are you talking about?
Does have all the overarching characteristics of a single ideology (I may have accidently a word). You know how Spain "is managed by left-wing politicians who deliberately supported what is happening"? Turns out it's not just Spain, but every single western country. Even ones putting on a show of being "right wing". That's why it's "overarching". I don't think that's a difficult concept to understand.
Good grief. Why do you need a conspiracy at all to explain anything at all?
Because everyone is calling me a conspiracy theorist when I complain about it?
Having written all that, I can kind of squint and imagine that what you're saying is that the center of this Open Borders cult is not in Spain. So it's much more than just a Spanish problem. But that still doesn't really address my point: It is also a Spanish problem!
Sure, I don't disagree with that at all.
The Spanish people actually have significant power to stop this. And they will squander that power if they chase conspiracy theories about the Americans and the Jews. You can fire the Prime Minister and you can impeach the Judges but you can't just sit around waiting for the fall of Rome.
Look, I agree that trying to do something is better than whinging about the powers that be, but I think it's dishonest to deny that there are, in fact powers that be, that will put significant resources into preventing any of this happening. If the Spanish people organize, the entire media apparatus will immediately call them Nazis, dig for any and all dirt that can be dug out, and promote anyone who opposes you. The EU will compel social media companies to throttle your, especially leading up to elections. If by any chance you do win, and start implementing stricter immigration policy, and especially if you start impeaching judges, you will get the Poland-Hungary treatment, and your country can kiss all that sweet EU cash goodbye, and will be fined on top of that.
Again, I don't like whinging any more than you do, but we should not pretend that the challenge is limited to local national politics.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
ok, they took over Ceuta, then what? Are they going to settle there? I don't think local economy is able to accommodate doubling the population - so what's next?
Literally just take a ferry to the mainland?
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
What I'm starting to see however is a troubling tendency for the European Right to blame America for all its problems. It's America's fault. There's nothing we can do, we're just a small vassal state of the Great American Satan. I think it's a cry of impotence.
Yeah, no. You can make reasonable argument for the conspiracy being located in Brussels, instead of Washington or Tel Aviv, but an argument that there is no conspiracy, and this is just an issue with the local government is more insane then the conspiracy theories you were sneering at. None of what's happening in Europe has the characteristics of local governments bumbling around randomly, and all the characteristics of a single ideology spreading throughout the elites of the entire European continent, or even the West writ large.
I don't believe that there is a secret government document titled, "Our Plan to Overwhelm Spain with Jew Power".
Yeah, instead there's probably a public non-government book (or several) that was written and read by people at the tops of government and corporate power, which may not involve "Jew Power" but definitely has something to say about replacing the native European population, and was never declared official (or even secret) policy, because these people aren't retarded.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Ceuta is typically left off of lists of extant colonial holdings
On this they're kinda right. Ceuta is not a colonial holding under any reasonable definition.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
the gates were still not opened by residents
They were. It's just that they weren't Jewish this time around...
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
And what I mean is that if it was not for the left's domestic policy, none of this would be happening to begin with, or at worst it would have been trivially repelled. Russia and Belarus tried the same thing with Poland and the Baltics, and didn't get far.
It is not the usual target for mass Islamic immigration
What? They're full of Muslims.
That could easily be the kind of Balkans gloating thé Israeli right loves these days.
They can gloat, or they can whinge about rising antisemitism, but I'm not dealing with both.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
I actually agree with you that Israel and the US is likely involved in this one, but portraying this as "out of nowhere", and the Spanish left as hapless victims of foreign schemes does not help the impression that you're singularly obsessed with Israel / the Jews, to the detriment of literally everything else.
ArjinFerman
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4d ago
Tyler gambled and lost.
With that you essentially concede the argument. If he just gambled and lost, you can't blame kids these days for running the numbers and deciding the game isn't worth playing.
That would make socialism and communism right-wing.
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