ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
7hr ago
I already gave you a hint for what rejecting that thesis would entail, which should be a clear enough "why".
Anyway,like I said, I didn't do conversations on moral philosophy with people who only do pure criticism. You can't get an ought from an is, so any moral position can infinitely poked at, when your own is carefully hidden away so that it can't be criticized. Conversations about morality only make sense when they're comparative.
It is not.
Ok man, have fun advocating for reducing penalties for rape to those for unpaid rent.
What is asserted without argument may be dismissed without argument.
Under which moral framework? Why? You're just throwing boo words out without actually justifying your position.
Sorry mate, I'm not playing with people who only do skepticism. Show me your moral framework, and I'll show you mine.
Only if the mother is the only "owner" no?
So it's definitely not 1:1 as an argument.
You too have it backwards. Slavery wasn't declared wrong because we decided that somewhere, along the way, ownership was misattributed, otherwise you'd still be allowed to sell yourself into slavery. It was decided that ownership of people is invalid in it's entirety, you can't do it at all.
If you could own another person, and if a mother owned her child, then she could sell, and there would be no issue with surrogacy to begin with.
If the father donated sperm then it's not selling the baby from one owner to a new one, the father is already the (part) "owner".
The father has every right to the custody of the child as well, he does not have a right to buy out the mother from her part. He especially does not have a right to commission the creation and birth of a child for the specific purpose of buying out the mother's custody right.
Where it's a donated egg and sperm even more so as the surrogate is not the owner at all. It's essentially just renting space in the womb.
The process of birth creates a bond between the mother and child, and the idea you can ignore that and act like it's possible to "rent space in the womb" is morally insane.
On the other hand, like 5 comments upthread, @ArjinFerman is telling us that the AIDS crisis was oversold.
No, I'm saying it was self-inflicted, and doesn't deserve more thought than a "men purposefully hitting their own balls with a hammer" epidemic. That the expectation that society would drop everything and save people who refused to take the barest of precautions, when their own lives were on the line, and they only did so for the purpose of sexual gratification (which they didn't even have to abstain from, just limit to a reasonable level), was deranged, as was the implicit (and sometimes explicit) moral judgement when society failed to act fast enough.
Decades later we put half of the world under lockdown over a glorified flu, and anyone who didn't wear a mask when they were entering a restaurant, where they could sit without it for hours, was seen as a moral freak, but somehow we have to look at the AIDS episode as a giant tragedy, because it got in the way of a bunch of guys having unlimited orgasms. Then, to add insult to injury, we immediately dropped all Covid-era moral norms, when the same community brought in monkeypox.
ArjinFerman
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9hr ago
I added switching between weapons, which ended up being a bit more work than expected. I had to rearrange some data buffers, because it turned out some stuff I'm passing to the material shader isn't useful, and other things that I don't need aren't being passed. I'm also considering switching the projectile collision model from circle-circle to circle-AABB, as this will allow me some flexibility of projectile shapes, and hacks for high-velocity projectiles passing through an enemy in a single frame (just make a long rectangle, lol).
I also played around with some benchmarks. Fired off my old desktop to see how the game performs there, and it was interesting. It seems to be free of the issues plaguing my new laptop like overheating, and the sudden choppiness when I do GPU-CPU copies of the background texture, but since it's pretty old hardware, the total amount of monsters it can handle at 60 FPS is actually lower. Still, I think I'll start recording the dev journal videos from there, as I seem to be able to get better recording framerate and quality out of it.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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9hr ago
Property is something you can own.
Parents (including adoptive parents, or legal guardians) do not own their children.
What's your definition of "own"? If it's something like "I can do whatever I want with it", than a lot of things we typically think of as property don't actually clear that criterion. I'm mostly focusing the title being freely transferable. The reason adoptive parents, in theory, don't own the children, is because adoption-in-theory happens when the child loses it's parents, or they become unable to fulfill their duties, in tragic circumstances, and they were picked to assume the duties of the parents. There's (in theory) no open market for legal guardianship. This is often not the case with adoption-in-practice, which isn't necessarily any better than surrogacy.
ArjinFerman
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9hr ago
He's the one that tried telling me these criteria don't apply, I didn't rest my case on them. My case is that the child has a sacred bond with it's mother, that can only be broken in extreme circumstances, which "here's some heckin' dolarinoos" doesn't clear.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
The Digital Services Act, and you already know this.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
What? My entire objection to surrogacy is that it does, in fact, make children into property. It's the only way surrogacy is even possible.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
You have it backwards. If children were property of the parents, there could be no objection to surrogacy, because you can sell your property.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
Is it morally wrong for MLB teams to sell and/or trade players too each other? Is it morally wrong for a temp agency to sell their workers to a factory?
I don't think that's remotely comparable. You are talking about an employment contract, the fact that you think this can be placed in the same category as motherhood is already morally repugnant to me. But even if you think consent is the only valid moral factor, these contracts were entered into voluntarily, and the player / worker can refuse to be "sold".
"Selling people" is understood to be bad for reasons like the people being sold don't have a say in the matter
Like the children...
they have less rights than others
like the children...
there is typically violence or coercion involved.
the only reason it doesn't is that the child is too weak to put up any kind of violent resistance. Also the mothers' material situation is often taken advantage of, which may be on the softer side of coercion, but it still plausibly fits in the same category.
The bad things that are inherent or understood to be inherent in slavery / trafficking don't really apply to surrogacy.
They absolutely do. Slavery is not considered abhorrent because the masters always and everywhere mistreat their slaves, in fact "but we always treat aware slaves with kindness" was a staple pro-slavery argument back in the day, and it was rejected because treating people as ownable and sellable was considered immoral. That argument applies to surrogacy 1:1.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
Surrogacy needn't be a paid service.
- Ok, but it overwhelmingly is, and
- this is where the second argument comes in
and the fact that the mother is still very present in the child's life in practice - but clearly recognizable as surrogacy
Depending on what you mean by "very present" I might disagree about it being recognizable as surrogacy. Is she legally recognized as the child's mother? If not, then I don't think it meets the criteria.
Some time ago I ran into a "dating site" for people who specifically want to hook up for the purpose of having a kid (here's an American example. On the female side it was unsurprisingly full of "T: -10s" on the biological clock women, but what I found interesting (though obvious in retrospect) was that on the male side a good chunk was obviously gay guys. From what I could tell the end goal was both sides keeping rights to the kid, but they could use the site to negotiate how much either side wants to be involved. All in all I still find it pretty degenerate, but it's orders of magnitude superior to surrogacy.
ArjinFerman
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13hr ago
It's not culture war, but I still hear people bring it up occasionally, with a very somber tone, and I'm over it.
Surrogacy arrangements are one of those things where yes, if you go into it with consenting, emotionally stable adults who all clearly agree on the terms, then it's hard to articulate a reason against it.
"It's morally wrong to sell people" doesn't sound so difficult. There are also some more complex arguments that boil down to "a child has a right to a mother and a father" that require some elaboration to cover the special cases, but they're not that hard to follow either.
But one problem is that emotionally stable adults are actually quite rare in my experience.
I don't think that's the issue. There's lots that are emotionally stable, the actual problem is the same that's people run into when discussing polyamory or prostitution:
- Emotionally stable people are unlikely to do them
- The acts themselves are emotionally destabilizing.
ArjinFerman
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22hr ago
And how many of those advocating for an end to women's education wholeheartedly support this?
Just to be clear, for the argument to be valid, the majority of a given side has to support it, yes? And I can count on you to maintain this standard the next time we get into a conversation on trans issues, right?
The briefest glimpse of surrogacy will show it's an utter house of horrors, and seeing all the nicey-nicey finger-wagging progressives and liberals defend it, was when the last bits of rationalism and liberalism left my body. It was oddly liberating, too. To think I spent all this time worrying about the moral judgement of people who don't bat an eye at a child being sold, and literal Handmaiden's Tale stans who somehow see no issue with it.
For those who lived through the culture wars over abortion, gay rights, and similar issues, have your feelings on the matter changed in anyway whatsoever over the last decade or two, and in which direction?
I lost quite a bit of patience with "gay rights" when "love is love" and "they're just like us" crashed into the reinforced concrete wall of meeting actual gay people. I especially don't want to hear another word about the "AIDS """crisis"""", but all things considered I can still get behind the idea of tolerance.
Abortion is an interesting one. I was never a fan of it, but being libertarian for a good chunk of my life, I figured it's best to "keep the government out of it". Cases like this are interesting, because they show the Garden of Earthly Delights-esque path from "anything goes between consenting adults" and "my body, my choice" to "women are just incubators" - the very thing feminists thought pro-life thought implies.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
In terms of server-scaling, I'm going to be hilariously optimistic here and say "the target is eventually reddit-sized".
I was thinking more in terms of work that needs to be done. If this site is as bad as you say, making the switch would necessarily imply having the new platform ready first. On the other hand, you say that we have enough headroom, so maybe not?
Let me put it this way: generally your idea sounds good. The sociological specifics don't sound so important to me, and I'm trying to figure out if / how much I can help from the technical side.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
As women spend the most fertile years at school and then they work to wipe out debt,
Isn't that a distinctly Anglo problem? I suppose continental Europe also has private schools, but that's not what everyone is aiming for, and I've never heard of public-university-educated women being more fertile.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1d ago
What exactly are you aiming for - neutrality / culture war banned, or letting people self organize as long as they label themselves clearly? Either one has it's appeal, but your first post seems to be pointing to the latter, and the second the former.
I like the idea of adding sub-communities, but I don't know if we have enough people to fill in 7 zillion niches.
I think the problem is that a lot of these sites just aren't good. They're trying to beat Reddit by being a worse Reddit but with a better set of people.
That makes it sound like the bigger concern is going to be technological, not sociological. Do you have a good idea of what you want to do better. How big of a scope we're talking about here (because at first glance it sounds pretty big)?
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
As per my recent post a big 2008-type crash, possibly conveniently timed for an election, and this possibly leading to my long-predicted downfall of Elon, and tech-libertarianism.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
There's a social media element to it for sure, but there definitely is a trans element to it as well. I distinctly remember Philosophy Tube getting a visible bump in patreon subscriptions, and I think I recall someone going through other examples of suddenly trans influencers.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
5d ago
What other standard do you intend to use then?
Why are you acting the 10 years never happened? Why are you acting like you haven't been linked specific examples from which the standard is absolutely clear? Why are you doing so specifically after you explicitly defended firing people for edgy jokes?
I don't mind you defending a different position, but again, who do you think you are fooling?
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
The problem is they haven't gotten far.
Well, at least as far as Starship is concerned, neither has SpaceX.
If rocket reliability requires exploiting Wright's law, Elon is very much ahead.
If. All the Falcons they produced didn't seem to help them get to a running start with Starship.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
5d ago
Can you show me any dark humor joke that a person has been charged and convicted of in the US in the past 30 years?
Can you point me to the comment in this chain that says any of this conversation is about charging and convicting people?
I gave the actual moral beliefs stemming from my moral system, that I will go on to defend, you're the one that hides yours, and pokes holes from a position of safety.
This has been your conduct for as long as I remember you posting here, so please don't act like this would suddenly change,if I jump through enough hoops.
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