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So... where's Joe Biden?
I will state for the record that these sort of questions come up fairly regularly. Almost always, the VIP emerges soon enough, seemingly no worse for wear. Kim Jong-un was MIA for a couple weeks, and I think Putin may have disappeared too at one point.
So normalcy bias being what it is, I expect Joe to turn up soon and give some sort of speech.
But, isn't it a bit strange that Biden made his announcement via Twitter of all places and hasn't been seen in public since? We have no idea whether he wrote that statement, or even signed it. The only evidence of him "stepping aside" is a JPEG on Twitter. Personally, I think there is a real chance that he is seriously ill. The stress of the two weeks cannot have been good for his health.
On a more meta level, this seems to pattern match a behavior we've seen from the Democrats a lot. Instead of proactively using openness to refute conspiracy theorists, they seem to double down on secrecy. Why let the rumors swirl? Why not have Joe pop out to say hello?
Whatever happens, I expects some great books and movies to come out about this two week period. To be a fly on the wall in the White House!
Update: 12:20am Tuesday. There are some crazy rumors swirling on Twitter with one source claiming that Biden is in hospice care and might die soon. It's a very low status source, but they correctly called the Sunday resignation. (Humorously they are squabbling with another low status source and have a ban bet going). Back in normiestan, Biden's physician claims that he is nearly recovered from Covid and is performing all Presidential duties (odd statement, that). More facts: Biden was supposed to meet with Netanyahu today but it's been moved to Thursday. Polymarket currently has Biden with a 50% chance of finishing his term - with no movement in the last 24 hours.
He just called in via phone during Kamala's first speech in Wilmington. Ironically, sounds the best he has since the SOTU.
Kamala at one point says: “joe we’re so happy to have you on the recor….on the call. It is just so good to hear your voice”
Does this not strike anybody else as a pretty odd thing to say?
Imagine this was another country. Putin disappears due to some illness, and a few days later announces that he is withdrawing himself from politics, but he does this by posting a jpeg to Facebook, then nobody hears from him for a full day, and what we finally get is him calling into his replacements press event with what could easily have been some prerecorded audio.
I mean…what the hell? Why not have Jill call in at least?
I thought the speculation on his whereabouts was over when I heard he phoned in. Then I saw this clip.
https://x.com/goddeketal/status/1815521002773766502?s=42
Someone please explain this. She blew it.
I thought she was going to be saying 'on the record' or something but no, that's not right at all. This is wild. And the whole way she's talking also makes it seem like a hoax.
What of the comments by 'Biden' just after where he says "It's mutual, I love ya kid" etc ?
The Kamala campaign certainly has a press person capable of hitting the stop and play buttons at the correct time. It's not like this was an impromptu speech.
As an American abroad for some time it's odd to see the US from the outside in the current era. There's no conspiracy speculation in Japan that I have heard of in the news regarding Biden's health, but it all seems bizarrely obviously a set-up in banana republic-type proportions.
Biden says he will only step down for health reasons. It is conveniently announced that he has COVID. He vanishes, tweeting out his disinclination to stand for re-election (though does not mention health anywhere in said tweet). In fact no one really mentions his health except to say he is on meds. Word trickles down that his staffers are surprised by his tweet.
His next presence is days later in a voice (not Zoom, not video) call, of course praising Harris as the inheritor of the mantle. A happy, positive old man gracious praise of Harris, who seems tickled pink and gushes how Joe and Jill are just like family (who gives a f**k?) It's bizarre. Am I just online too much or reading too many conspiracy types? Even taken at face value this all seems odd.
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