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There has been a third assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump. Police discovered a car bomb pre-placed near a site in Long Island where a Trump rally was scheduled to be held tomorrow. As the device was found well in advance of the rally, no one was harmed.
It’s noteworthy that most of the extremist attacks this election have been anti-Trump, while a section of the population still believes that the Republican Party is the “radical”, “extremist”, “violent” party. This is despite Republicans having twice the gun ownership, and being out of office. Judge a tree by its fruits. Who is producing the most violent radicals? This shows (once again) that media propaganda can exist completely outside the realm of facts — propaganda doesn’t need facts to undergird it, you can genuinely just manufacture and shill it.
I mean the last guy voted for Trump in 2016, though turned against him pretty sharply. So I am not sure that really supports your thesis here as to who is producing what.
Routh? No.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/09/17/ryan-wesley-routh-not-registered-republican-fact-check/75254525007/
He is now, but in his book and tweets from 4 years ago he said he voted for Trump in 2016 and deeply regretted it afterwards.
He was lying for clout. No records exist of him voting in 2016. Plenty of records of him donating to Democrats exist.
Saying that Trump was your choice, is not likely to get you clout as a Democrat in the current era. He tweeted at Trump that he was his choice in 2016 but was disappointed with him. Even if we allow that we don't have a record of him voting, that doesn't mean he was lying about being a Trump supporter back then. After all he also said he supported Gabbard, Vivek, Halley and Sanders at various points. He doesn't tend to stick with one party it seems, but he does seem to like outsider candidates.
He clearly had shifted towards Democrat's at the very least (though he believed Covid was a bio attack by the Chinese, so he was somewhat heterodox for a Democrat), but his statements that he supported Trump are indeed weak evidence that he did. People can change their affiliations and Trump did pick up many places Obama had won prior. Statistically there will indeed be many people today who voted for Trump in 2016 who are now Democrats. And indeed many people who voted for Obama who then became Republicans.
He lied about voting for Trump, so why do we immediately start believing the next-weakest claim, that he supported Trump? I have a hundred million dollars. No you don't. Ok, but I have 99 million dollars. Ok yeah.
Meanwhile, what radicalizes a guy to try shooting Trump? It doesn't happen in a vacuum. It comes on ten years of media calling Trump a threat to democracy, a traitor selling the country to Russia, a violent fascist thug who needs to be executed, take him out and beat him, put his severed bloody head on TV, talk about blowing up the White House -- what, I apologized, and Trump deserved it for all his violent rhetoric, I can't believe Republicans would try shooting him like this.
In that case, do you think that Trump and/or the conservative media ecosystem are responsible for the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, the El Paso walmart shooting or the Buffalo shooting in 2022?
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