This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.
Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.
We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:
-
Shaming.
-
Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.
-
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
-
Recruiting for a cause.
-
Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.
In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:
-
Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
-
Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.
-
Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.
-
Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
Nick Fuentes just had an assassination attempt happen where a masked man with a loaded gun tried to break into his house. His address was leaked online, and many on the internet handwave about the risks of doxxing, there should be no tolerance for obvious reasons. He has given an account on the internet about these things. Without the police report, it is hard to confirm whether this was just a coincidence or if the shooter did know who Nick was beforehand.
I have seen politics play out in the US since it is today's Rome. Since 2016, I do not remember attempts on a candidate or a literal life-or-death experience for a streamer being a mainstay. Everyone online attracts death and rape threats, experienced people learn to be less serious about it. The internet has always been this space between actual action and pontification, am I making a mountain out of a molehill or is this indicative of violence?
He has organized irl events in the past like the AFPAC, not very consequential ones but they were irl. I had only heard about violence online from Catgirl Kulaks funny threads but we had three incidents where you had esoteric off-mainstream internet things motivate three different people into committing violent acts. First the UHC assassination by a centrist tech bro, second the school shooting in Wisconsin by a 15-year-old girl who was an alleged radfem(?) and third the attempt at Nick's life not far from Wisconsin, nick himself being fairly off mainstream. What I found surprising was that all of these incidents and the motives behind them got a large amount of coverage on twitter which was not the case until it was bought it.
Kiwifarms got into trouble because of trans streamer Kefalls, someone who has been panned by everyone including breadtube and made bathtub hrt for kids tried to get the site fucked. Kiwifarms is a place dedicated exclusively to keeping info on e celebs where they did not even spare their favorite Mister Metokur. Kiwifarms got dropped by cloudflare, wont be surprised if cops come after it, new zealand ones tried before
Nick posted video from his front porch confirming he was targeted by the killer, who called him by name. He tried opening the door but it was locked.
Nick was also charged recently for pepper spraying some liberal woman who rang his doorbell to confront him about his "Your body my choice" joke, which has some 100 million views now on X.
Would this incident help aid in his defense that he was afraid for his life? I don't think so although it would be a contributing factor to sentencing.
I saw that and the video of him being questioned by cops, in which he did the right thing by not saying anything. I have strong beliefs about him being a fed, but the circumstances recently have been quite out of the ordinary.
Why do you think he's a fed? I hear people say this, but they only point to the fact he wasn't charged for J6 even though he never went near or inside the Capitol Building so it's a much different case than all the trespassers who got charged. Not strong evidence at all IMO.
Because he glows in the dark.
To elaborate: When viewed within the cultural context of the wider US right, pretty much everything about Fuentes' presentation screams either Troll or Woke Leftist Psy-Op.
Sure Fuentes may identify as Right Wing, Catholic, and Latino, but anyone can do that. He is Right Wing, Latino, Catholic in the same way that Lia Thomas and Chelsea Manning are both female. Fact is that he remains to all appearances a Queer (or at the very least Queer-adjacent) Democrat-voting Gringo who's online presence consists largely of signal boosting woke commentors and talking points, and this is all in addition to the issues raised by @tricycle3778.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link