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Here is my attempt to conclude the h1b debate given the takes in on have been just bad.
The H1B debate seems to have died down in the same way every other debate dies down: things remain the same. Trump does what a liberal from the 90s does, and MAGA people claim victory over lip service. Academic Agent wrote a very succinct write-up on this issue, and my take on this is mixed.
I would not have wanted migrants in the millions to a country I was a native of, period. White-collar migrants are even worse since you are making college admissions and jobs even harder for your kid but you are also ensuring votebanks, unstable coalitions. They may be stable sometimes on the right but they will eventually break away. Sriram, the trump appointee who started all of this was a Kamala donor up until a month before the election and was not a good programmer by his own admission, certainly not an AI guy like Ian Goodfellow either. The h1b meltdown took Elon down too as he ended up losing arguments, banning anyone named Groyper and then publicly admitting defeat somewhat to calm people down, though things are unlikely to change by a lot. Elons issue was covered by eternal Pariah and sometimes really insightful Chuck Johnson so do check it out, he also detailed Srirams issues in this post.
Vivek Ramaswamy too burned some of his social capital like former MLM peddler Patrick Bet David by asking the youth to follow cram school routines like I did and compete with the rest of the world in terms of labor and uni admissions despite the very obvious issues of them cheating and having excessive ethnic prejudices to begin with. I have first hand experience with cram schools which funnily enough neither of them does and that explains why they glorify it and those who went through it cant forget the ordeal fast enough.
I would never want such large-scale movement of any people into my own nation but otoh I will not call most Indian migrants scheming scamsters or ethno-nationalists either. I might try to move to the west in 2025 and likely temporarily to see what Rome of today is like but I am a self-respecting person and a nation choosing its own people and demographics over hard to prove claims about the benefits of 20 billion Americans is a very sane outcome. There are plenty of good Indians, them leaving is explicit iq shredding and people back home gloating about how tech firms have Indian CEOs is a massive sign of insecurity.
Political change and human endevaors work on ingroups and outgroups, coalitions, the tech bro aligning with that gets its memes from identitarians was not going to last that long and the results will not be that different from 2016. People choosing to move to the west, starting a family there and if they are really good at what they do is a massive plus as long as the number does not exceed thousands as demographic changes are nearly impossible to overturn. Many posters here are honest hardworking white collar employees who work on visas and I would not want them to be called names anytime they log in. There are no good answers here, including Trump's which is handwaving, inaction, minor lip service and then letting things happen as they already are.
Biocapital is very real, society here runs not just on caste but also on class and there is a keen awareness amongst people of both. Indian biocapital is bottom of the barrel and clustering helps eek out better performance than what it could have otherwise but topsoil erosion won't last forever, I reckon most of it has already been used up. Indians move because they do not like most Indians, they do not wish to associate with them but being in a liberal democratic world reduces your identity down to the lowest common denominator. If I ever move out permanently, it would be because political power back home is not a possibility and I would rather live as a nerd in the big leagues than in the little leagues. The future here is incredibly bleak btw and I know many posters here who have similar backgrounds and moved out. I think they did the right thing.
I wanted to conclude this post with some reasonable course of action but that is highly unlikely. People here have a hard time believing that upper castes bottled India so badly that the nearly extinct remnants of their elite genepool is gone like their ability to gain any power yet they just sat down and took it, and now you have an ever-worsening system that chugs along without ever collapsing.
A collapse may never come, it did not for the past 2 thousand years, the US too would still "survive" even if Yglesias's harebrained schemes of one billion Americans came true though surviving like India or worse Pakistan or Bangladesh or Afghanistan is humiliating. My interest in politics began because of affirmative action here and how people would allow explicit laws like the SC ST act, once I saw the rest of the world I realised that things are far more universal than I thought they would be. Anyways i dont think there is a lot more to the debate, there are plenty of good people living here, under normal circumstances, I would in fact prefer if they did not move out but if I dont have an ingroup back home soon enough, I do think they should do what the Zoroastrians did when they came here, in both cases, people should kick out and sue the living shit out of Indian IT sweatshops and be far harsher migration wise but then again nothing ever happens.
I feel a sense of deep unease writing this, I do not want to offend friends I have made here and fuck my career over, I do not want them to be called names either. I am semi-anonymous here because this forum is the only place I can be honest and muting myself here like I do irl is bad, lying is even worse. Lying to yourself is how you get takes like Bryan Caplans on India.
As someone living the “not very well integrated brownish expat working a lot in high earning sector in the West” life it makes me rather nervous to see the calibre and the intentions of the people supposedly vouching for my interests in this debate.
The social contract I came here for is simple. I broadly like the society these people created. I don’t think a different people could/would create this society so I am happy people of broadly the same ancestry and culture stay in control of it. In exchange of living in it and having my children become a proper part of it I can pay a lot in taxes and generally be a modal citizen at the sidelines of the society.
I am aware of the costs I am imposing on the society here. I am pricing the residents out of the housing market, causing some wage suppression, watering down their culture and social cohesion and giving them mixed-race grandkids who doesn’t quite look like them.
The desirable scenario for me is that immigrants are not too high in numbers and generally similar in profile to me so that the tensions aren’t too big and our posterity assimilates without attracting too much negative attention.
The very undesirable scenario for me is that high profile individuals shout it to the regular people from the top of their lungs that their culture is worthless, their children are deadweights, and they will use armies of people who look somewhat like me to teach them a lesson.
This is a very dangerous game they are playing. Many PMC immigrants seem entirely incapable of sensing the zeitgeist and subterranean societal currents of the countries they are living in. The people from the subcontinent are especially bad at this
This was one of the better answers given here. The shouting of we will replace you and race wars now is a sign of complete and total insecurity. There's an Indian belief that the nation was hoodwinked out of eternal prosperity by evil brits.
Reality is far harsher, bio capital here kept getting worse, elites kept getting outbred by proles, people kept getting sanskritized and it was no longer Aryan in anything but name.
Three generations is enough to have grandchildren who look pretty much like natives unless you have primarily African ancestry or a much different physiognomy from the locals. The absorption only works with a smaller set of guest population like you described.
I think that the truth may be even harsher than that. The Indian elite were never "elite" to begin with. They never learned responsibility, they were never housebroken, and that is why the moment anyone with actual agency and an entrepreneurial streak showed up, they were able to run the table on them.
I suspect that the obsession with sanskrit is a variant of the same woke mind virus that is currently turning blue-tribe professionals into mental invalids something about the preoccupation with symbols and structural "isms" at the expense of real world competence seems eerily familiar.
In the meantime I would argue that "bioleninism" has only slightly more basis in reality than marxist-leninism which is to say slightly more than none at all. Clarence Thomas is arguably more "white" or "aryan" than you (or your internet crush David Fuentes) will ever be, because he has at least taken up the burden.
Aryavarta, the local name for what we were once as was definitely was a high civilization, modern day India, not so much today. At one point sumeria and greece were high too, you can't take away their history to claim that their present shortcomings represent the same people, they clearly don't.
This comment was a little personal regardless. I don't know david Fuentes and the word Aryan denotes people who have paternal lines from the eurasian steppe. It has existed in Sanskrit since it found usage. I never claimed being white lol. If by david you mean nick then you should know I've spoken only bad things about him.
Clarence Thomas is a learned person, yet he isn't Aryan and that's completely fine, he's doing well and did good things. Your remarks seem callous.
Are you arguing that Clarence Thomas is not a man of high culture?
How do you distinguish between being "learned" and "cultured", or between " highly cultured and low?
Aryan is a specific descriptor in Sanskrit. Thomas is an erudite man who has done well but that is not Aryan, the term has been in use by my culture since it began, way before it was used again by the other descendants in Europe.
It describes men of long lineages from the original line who stand by the values their ancestors lived by. These things have been fleshed out very well in the Vedas, Upanishads, all good Hindu texts and even the works of traditionalists like Julius Evola.
You just said that "the word Aryan denotes men of high culture" now you're claiming that it's just some Sanskrit nonsense, which is it?
it is a Sanskrit word for people who come from an Aryan lineage and act in accordance with the ideals that were laid down in the Vedas. My usage of that term has been totally consistent and Clarence Thomas is a man of high culture but not Aryan which is completely fine. I never claimed it to be otherwise, you can re-read my previous comments where I reiterate this twice in each of them.
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