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Trump's Mideast Envoy Forced Netanyahu to Accept a Gaza Plan He Repeatedly Rejected
Trump declared repeatedly that if the remaining Israeli hostages weren't out by his inauguration there would be 'hell to pay'. Most people assumed this meant that MIGA Don would fully back more aggressive Israeli military action, but instead he's willing to pressure Israel into a deal they don't want. Israeli finance minister Smotrich called it a 'catastrophe' and if he quits the government it would collapse Netanyahu's coalition.
Details of the proposed plan can be found here:
The agreement includes provisions for Israeli forces to remain in the Philadelphi corridor and maintain an 800-meter buffer zone along the eastern and northern borders during the first phase, which will last 42 days. Israel has also agreed to release 1,000 Palestinian prisoners, including approximately 190 who have been serving sentences of 15 years or more. In exchange, Hamas will release 34 hostages. Negotiations for the second and third phases of the agreement would begin on the 16th day of the ceasefire.
Holy shit.
I'm a lukewarm (non-American) supporter of Trump, but this is genuinely impressive to me. Even if he can't resolve the situation completely, the fact he can progress some kind of resolution at all at this time is amazing.
Honestly if this is true and succeeds, this might be the single thing that has raised my opinion of Trump the most. He's not even in office yet!
He's thrown Canada into a bit of chaos, particularly since the NDP (left wing party) stopped supporting the minority Liberals and the government will therefore fall at the first opportunity. Of course, Prime Minister Trudeau prorogued parliament until his replacement gets selected by his party in late March, so the "first opportunity" isn't any time soon.
We now have provincial leaders dealing with Federal responsibilities (see Alberta Premier Danielle Smith visiting Trump), which is an odd change of pace.
Exactly. The NDP has refused to go along with the Conservatives bringing down the government for a while now. Instead, Singh just constantly said Trudeau had to go but won't vote to kick out the Liberals.
Then, all of a sudden, after Trudeau resigns (Freeland has to play a role here) and prorogues Parliament, Singh is suddenly on-board when...he can do nothing cause Parliament is suspended for months until the Liberals pick a new leader.
The cynical explanation is that this has little to do with Trump: the NDP knows they're utterly done due to backing the Liberals for so long and Singh deliberately ran out the clock so he could get his pension.
I think you actually have the causation backwards: Trudeau lost Singh's support, then he resigned. Singh took a more-firm-than-typical stance against the Liberals after the winter break started, which is what prompted the most recent rounds of Poilievre pushing non-confidence motions. If all had gone according to plan, the government would have fallen about a month later. Instead, Trudeau resigned and prorogued parliament as they search for his successor.
Yes. The Saskatchewan party ran on the connection of the Federal Liberals -> Federal NDP -> Provincial NDP. Blaming Carla Beck for Justin Trudeau's actions seems to have worked, so it absolutely would work for Singh as well.
I think that Singh's pension is a meme. It's a nice jab, but I'd bet that he'll get reelected in his seat. The only examples I could find of a party leader losing their seat are:
I think it happened to the Green Party too, but they don't count. High-profile politicians generally don't lose their own seats.
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