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The video begins (0:45 seconds long, is there a longer one?) with the black woman grabbing the white woman by the wrists, and at 0:03 reaching toward her face, which begins the brawl. I see below mentioned that the white woman was “too inebriated” upon entering the dorm, but anyone who has lived on a dorm in a public university knows that there is no level of inebriation that prevents a student from dorm entry short of violently vomiting in the fetal position. I doubt that the university terms allows the black woman to forcefully kidnap students who she believes are “too inebriated” to return back to their home. As such, calling her a slur is entirely within the realm of a normal response, although it’s totally rude and you shouldn’t do it.
If my understanding is right this would be the second misleading racism video to involve kidnapping. Remember the white woman walking a dog whose life was destroyed? The black man actually aggressively harassed her and (by his own confession on his Facebook page) said he would “do something you don’t want me to do to your dog” if it didn’t get leashed.
You didn't read the article. The statement in the article is that Spring was working the security desk at the tower, and was not supposed to let anyone in without ID, which the drunk chick lacked (probably lost).
Rosing then managed to get into the building somehow, probably by tagging along with someone else.
Given that she was barely upright, it's pretty obvious why they'd have a policy that (50/50 a dude) bringing her in might require a call to an RA on duty.
This wasn't "Oh she was super drunk she can't go in" it was "She doesn't have ID, I'm not supposed to let her in; also she's super drunk so it's policy I should call someone to make sure she's safe." Rather than sit down for a minute and take her slap on the wrist from the RA, drunkard chooses to erupt.
No "kidnapping" here, but cute reach. Just using the most nightmare trash white people you can find to tar and feather 200 million odd Americans.
I’m not interested in the statement of the RA (you link the article like it’s authoritative, when it never is), who is seen physically apprehending an inebriated student, unless her actions are already defensible from the security cam. When I lived in a public university accommodation, RA’s would never physically restrain an inebriated student because they forgot their ID. If they were going to escalate the issue they would call security. If this were some gang member or a 45 year old man entering a woman’s dorm that would be extenuating circumstances.
So let's speculate wildly instead! She's being kidnapped!
She wasn't an RA, she was working security at the desk. The specific job of those people at my school was to prevent you from getting in without an ID. Typically via controlling the lock on the door.
I get that it's a goofy story we shouldn't even be talking about, and that your political enemies are trying to make hay out of it, but I don't see why we have to make up facts and ignore context.
You don’t seem to have an understanding of how the university employs students.
She was working at desk check in. It’s the same occupation as RA. If she described it as working security that’s fine, I see no indication that she is a security guard or otherwise empowered to detain residents for not having a card.
She’s not even an RA. She’s a desk clerk, and Rosing can plausibly sue her for kidnapping or something else, because it is illegal to forcefully prevent a person and grabbing their wrists for such non-felonies
https://kykernel.com/89062/news/videos-show-uk-student-using-racial-slurs-attacking-desk-clerk/
If you lived in an apartment complex, I assure you that a random clerk assigned to the building does not have the right forcefully prevent you from attending to your accommodation. They can escalate with the police, at maximum.
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