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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 24, 2025

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Do we still talk about Scott's articles on this site?

He has a new one out about Conflict Theory vs. Mistake Theory.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/why-i-am-not-a-conflict-theorist

The general thrust of his argument is that conflict theory doesn't explain voting patterns because people vote against their self-interest. For example, rich elites are generally in favor of raising taxes, which affect them disproportionately. And it was young people, not vulnerable old people, who were more likely to be lockdown fascists during Covid.

But I'm not sure if this adequately explains conflict vs. mistake theory. Conflict theory is inherently tribal, and people will do things against their own self-interest, even their tribal self-interest, to own the other tribe. Dunking on the other team is its own reward, moreso than actual spoils.

Nevertheless, I remain a mistake theorist. More of the modern world developed by accident than by scheming. For example, take immigration. Clearly, this is an area of heated tribal conflict now. But it wasn't always this way. When the US opened up the current era of mass immigration in the mid-1960s, it wasn't an effort to change the ethnic makeup or import voters. At the time, demographers projected that there would be 400,000 immigrants a year, of whom 367,000 would be white! In other words, they were spectacularly wrong.

The rewrite of our country's genetic makeup happened by accident while no one was looking.

Gay rights is another area where mistake theory wins. Clearly there was a lot of conflict in this area. But then, something happened around 2010 and one side just stopped fighting. A new consensus emerged: "Love wins. People are born that way. Queer people just want to be tolerated. They don't want to shove it in our face. They just want to love their partners the same way that straight people do. They definitely won't try to convert kids." And within 15 years, almost everything about this consensus was proven wrong. Even if you think this was the plan of the gay movement all along, it still doesn't explain why Republicans went along for the ride. You might say... they were mistaken.

Sports gambling? Mistake theory.

Marijuana legalization? Mistake theory.

De-policing? Mistake theory.

People generally aren't trying to mess things up. They are just wrong about the consequences of their ideas. Sure, there are like 5 or 10% of people who are true radicals who want to destroy society and will lie to achieve their means. But the average politician or corporate leader just doesn't understand how the world works. They'll buy a load of horseshit because it sounds good and it gratifies their ego. The world changes when wrong ideas face no resistance.

Revealed preference says that a person's self interest is whatever thing is maximized by his choices. Same as "the purpose of a system is what it does.

The San Francisco liberal who walks through feces and endures harassment from junkies every day wants it. He’d rather let it persist than send them to rehab or, god forbid, involve a police officer. This is his self interest.

The rich communist sent to the gulag doesn't regret supporting communism. He wants communism to win more than he wants a hot meal and a roof over his head.

I'm generally a believer in revealed preference but I think this takes things too far.

Does the moth prefer to be burned by the flame?

The rich communist sent to the gulag deludes himself into thinking that his imprisonment is all a mistake, not an inevitable consequence of his flawed belief system. The trans activist doesn't think that giving kids hormones and cutting off their breasts is abuse – she's just trying to help!

Of course, sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice. Most people are just really, really bad at thinking through what happens if they get what they want.

The trans activist doesn't think that giving kids hormones and cutting off their breasts is abuse – she's just trying to help!

Yes, but critically, their attempt to help isn't a result of believing a mastectomy will improve outcomes on some widely-agreed-upon-as-beneficial scale, they're helping because they see bodily autonomy and morphological freedom as good in themselves, and preferences to reconcile people with their "natural" bodies as bigoted. This isn't about "sufficiently advanced stupidity", It's conflict theory through and through.

I accept this criticism and I admit some dissatisfaction with my original post.

But let's consider that both the modal republican and the trans activist might share a similar terminal goal: "all people should feel comfortable with their gender identity". The difference is that the Republican thinks gender confusion applies to 0.1% of the population but the trans activist thinks it applies to 10-20%.

Yes, this hypothetical trans activist's position is insane, but I don't see any indication why it would not be sincerely held.

republican and the trans activist might share a similar terminal goal: "all people should feel comfortable with their gender identity".

Maybe these are Uniparty Republicans. The Republicans in my circle think gender identity is fake and gay. That people who are uncomfortable with their bodies are mentally ill neurotics and to the extent it's a belief that's 'sincere', insane people believe and internalize all sorts of crazy.