Southkraut
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2yr ago
Excuse my ignorance of how the humanities work, but is this any more than a thought experiment or mental exercise? The premises seem wildly arbitrary to the point where I'd uncharitably call this pure sophistry. What is this good for?
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
Southkraut 2yr ago
How familiar are you with academic philosophy?
There is a long history of debate over the exact nature of the source and justification of premises for moral arguments (and philosophical arguments more broadly). Plenty of philosophers have voiced concerns similar to yours: we need to start from some set of premises, but we don’t want them to be arbitrary either.
Is your concern here with the style of argumentation itself, or just these particular premises?
This argument with these premises is a trap because it may not be socially permissible for someone, especially a student, to make an appropriate counter-argument.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
Jiro 2yr ago
100% agree. If OP has to write an essay about this argument for class, he should just agree with his professor. Don’t be a hero. Support the regime in public, network with like-minded people in private.
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Excuse my ignorance of how the humanities work, but is this any more than a thought experiment or mental exercise? The premises seem wildly arbitrary to the point where I'd uncharitably call this pure sophistry. What is this good for?
How familiar are you with academic philosophy?
There is a long history of debate over the exact nature of the source and justification of premises for moral arguments (and philosophical arguments more broadly). Plenty of philosophers have voiced concerns similar to yours: we need to start from some set of premises, but we don’t want them to be arbitrary either.
Is your concern here with the style of argumentation itself, or just these particular premises?
This argument with these premises is a trap because it may not be socially permissible for someone, especially a student, to make an appropriate counter-argument.
100% agree. If OP has to write an essay about this argument for class, he should just agree with his professor. Don’t be a hero. Support the regime in public, network with like-minded people in private.
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