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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 31, 2025

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Trump tariffs McDonald's:

BBC article for a more detailed overview.

Highlights or lowlights include:

  1. 32% tariffs on Taiwan, though I'm told that they thankfully exclude semiconductors.
  2. 46% on Vietnam and 49% on Cambodia, so gg to companies encouraged to diversify outside of China.
  3. 10% tariffs (the absolute floor, or Trump's idea of a sweetheart deal) on such interesting nations as Tuvalu (with that sweet sweet .tv license) and the Heard and McDonald islands, which are uninhabited.
  4. Some quite seriously speculating that the entire policy was AI generated. https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/1907587352157106292 :

This might be the first large-scale application of AI technology to geopolitics.. 4o, o3 high, Gemini 2.5 pro, Claude 3.7, Grok all give the same answer to the question on how to impose tariffs easily.

  1. Others note the resemblance to the common ReLU function in ML, but the gist of it is a hamfisted approach that is setting tariffs off the equation trade deficits/imports, despite denial by the administration (or at least the Deputy White House Press Secretary), who presented an equation that literally says that but prettied up.

I'm not an economist, but I don't think it's a good idea to throw out tariffs with such clear absence of rigor. The only saving grace is that Trump is fickle, so if enough people yell at him from his in-group, he might pivot in a week. If not, bloody hell.

I'm sure posters here could provide a reasonable steelman for Trump's position if asked, but forget about providing arguments for a second: are there any Trump supporters here who genuinely believe this is a good set of policies, or even a not-disastrous set of policies?

I can't imagine this will be the final thing to break support for Maga types, but I would give strong odds that this goes down as a major black mark on Trump's eventual record, and a potential torpedo for any future Maga candidates

Not disastrous for whom?

I want a multipolar world with localized industry and national preference, hell I want it even more local than that if possible. So far it's a home run of everything I've ever dreamed of. Europe is seriously considering its local defense industry and in talks to trade favorably with China against the US, which still sounds unbelievable when I say it out loud.

Yeah businesses that only exist because of free trade are not going to survive, but what did y'all think the collapse of Globalism meant? vibes? papers? essays?

Europe is seriously considering its local defense industry and in talks to trade favorably with China against the US

I get the first half, but why do you think the second half is a good thing?

Anglos in general and Americans in particular are enemies of Europe and its geopolitical interests by necessity because a unified Europe would make their thalassocracy irrelevant. They have to prevent Europe unifying at all costs, the EU, NATO and other such atlanticisms were created specifically and deliberately for this purpose.

In purely geopolitical terms, it is therefore better for Europe to ally with China than America.

I do so love Americans and their Republic and I do so loathe Communism, but if Europe wants to have even the slightest chance to be powerful again, it has to rid itself of American influence and an isolationist America is the only way this can happen realistically.

I see, thanks for explaining.

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