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In what aspect is the discussion clueless? Please elaborate.
I think people don't get how Power Law distributions dominate on dating apps.
So they think an "average" guy is doing okay on the apps, even if he is jealous of the more attractive guys who have it easier.
When in reality, the Average guy is barely scraping by, as virtually all serious female attention flows to a handful of Top Tier guys, so the mismatch is SEVERE.
Top tier guys obviously have no incentive to change this. Dating apps don't have much incentive either, since they can sell the lower tier guys various products that they imply will help, and those guys don't have many other options.
And of course these dating apps keep their data secret so we can't even look and judge how well they work for their stated purposes (not well).
So average guys are getting quietly more desperate but can't do anything about it or even talk about it because talking about it marks you as a loser and further lowers your status.
Side tangent but I think you would enjoy this blogpost from someone who works at a dating app (not sure which dating app though).
https://blog.luap.info/what-really-happens-inside-a-dating-app.html
I think this is the best bit:
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