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At its core, this is about fundamental values differences. I think trannies should be sent to gender-conformity camp and learn to embrace the way God made them. Pro-trans people think that gender is some ontological thing that can only be arrived at after deconstructing the concept. You presumably fall somewhere in the middle.
From that light, it’s not really about the state of the scientific evidence. I know there are male, female, and deformed, and you can find out which you are by dropping your pants and looking down. Trans activists know that gender is an ontological state which can only be understood by deconstruction. Neither of these beliefs can be proven by controlled experiment.
Well I'm pro trans and I don't believe that at all. I'm a nihilistic hedonist, and I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their own bodies. I want to liberate the west from yolk of middle eastern morality. I think people who believe in god are mentally ill deranged barbarians, but I would never advocate for them to be sent to camps.
Pro-trans people vary wildly, of course many of them do believe in an ontological concept of gender and reject that biological sex exists. But to me scientific evidence is very important.
Show me your anti-COVID-vaxx mandate posts, please.
I made plenty of them, not on this forum but on plenty of my suspended reddit accounts. I also think antivaxxers are incorrect, but vaxx mandates are regarded even from a purely practical standpoint. If a really serious virus came along, nobody would have to be forced to get the vaccine. But even if it were airborne ebola I would defend the rights of people to make their own choices.
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I'm like you in that I don't consider transgenderness valid at all, but I cannot really take that stance in the areas that I argue in. If they're going to wield studies and science to justify these horrible actions, someone else has to do the same to fight back against their worst excesses. I think I've made my peace with adults deciding to take hormones and wear the wrong clothing and try embarrassingly to talk like the opposite sex, though I resent having to pretend they are what they are pretending to be. But something like puberty blockers must be viciously fought in every place it pops up.
What do you mean by "valid," and how did you come to the conclusion that transgenderism is not valid?
The idea that you can swap genders is a farce that is only enabled by anarchists who spent too much time thinking about sex, and invented a convenient concept that gender is opposite from sex. For pretty much anyone, undertaking the sex change journey is an incredibly bad idea. It marks you as a freak and you will spend your whole life trying and failing to fit in. Fighting one's nature is not fun. It also mostly puts you out of normal life paths like marriage and raising kids.
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'Free, white, and twenty-one' as the saying used to be (though now that's racist for including 'white'). If you're a legal adult and not harming anyone else, okay, fuck your own life up. When it comes to minor children, we need to be a hell of a lot more careful.
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Again, it’s not a scientific belief. Really it’s not a belief about science on either side, it’s a belief about ontology.
The correct rhetorical move is to point this out while holding on to the Cass report. What is a Woman did a pretty good job of showing the lack of sciencey-ness to trans beliefs amongst the proles; that’s the tack to take moreso than getting into the muck about the side effects of puberty blockers unless you, yourself, happen to be a doctor.
Thankfully, I am not a doctor. I appreciate the rhetorical suggestion. I don't know how much I can take it, though, because these are my friends and I try not to overly offend my friends (or anyone, I guess). Like Sonya from Crime and Punishment, I have recently realized that no matter how I conduct myself, I will never be able to totally avoid offending people.
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