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Title: Most r-slurs still don't understand one of the central points of rick and morty.
THEY ARE ALL UNLOVABLE ASSHOLES! YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO ROOT FOR THEM! (Spoilers ahead)
Jerry - would likely sacrifice his family to save himself. Had no trouble abandoning his original family to live with his accidental dimension family. He also crashed a plane full of people in that one episode. He is a stupidity based WMD who doesn't even realize the damage he caused.
Summer - Pretty much a sociopath. Only cares about family to a degree, would gladly perv on hot guys. Has no qualms killing aliens. Doesn't care about how much destruction Rick has ever caused. She got high on planets that were about to die. Her whole personality is saying," whatever." Then stabbing you with a kitchen knife before going back to texting on her phone.
Beth - If Summer is a wannabe sociopath then Beth is a legit sociopath. Only thing maintaining her humanity is likely her family. As a child she only ever had Rick make things for her that would hurt other people. Is self centered and will accept anyone in the world who will kiss her ass and flatter her. Hasn't been seen actively murdering anyone so far and is likely the most normie competent person in her family. Still shrugged off her planet getting destroyed. Wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice Morty to save Summer.
Morty - Over the seasons he grows more psychopathic every season. He has destroyed at least two alien civilizations on screen that I remember, and likely has caused way more suffering off screen. Every season his conscience grows smaller when it comes to anything that's not his family. Will definitely murder you in your sleep for Rick. No longer hesitates when murdering people who cross him. Never came back to save his Cronenberg family. Only Jerry survived and Survivor Jerry called him out on it.
Rick - Rick the worst of them all. Left his entire planet on groundhod day settings but forgot to turn off aging. Accidentally got back and was at least decent enough to end their suffering before leaving. That's Earth one he killed. In season 1 or 2 he accidentally cronenberged another Earth before leaving. That's two Earth's destroyed. In the latest season episode his little experiment got released and destroyed the entire Earth. That's three Earth's he has destroyed due to his fuckups. This isn't even counting all the countless planets, species, and probably even universes he has destroyed. Rick is basically the closest thing to an Eldritch abomination in human form any media has ever had. His morality has zero connection to other humans, he sees things on a scale so huge that entire realities become irrelevant. He is an inventor who could create anything but his final legacy is that of destroying realities. Multiple hell's have overflowed with the number of dead his actions have sent there. Rick is a pure evil to anyone who experiences his touch that is not a friend, a group of friends that are barely a dozen lifeforms against the trillions he has likely killed so far easily.
Every season they make the family do even more horrible things, and each time the r-slurs and spergs cheer. At this point it's as if the creators are just trying to see how fucked up and cruel they can make the actions of the family before the audience finally decides that yes, these are clearly not rolemodels or anybody to look up to, but that moment never comes. That moment likely will never come, because for that moment to come there has to be some self awareness, some capacity to self reflect, and perhaps the success of Rick and Morty for all the wrong reasons is the final proof, that this country has lost its way, and there is nothing left except mindless consumption followed by death.
First off you need to write like you want to include everyone in the conversation, which... shibboleths like this aren't an egregious violation, but they are still a violation of that rule.
The more serious violation, though, is that you're deliberately picking on a very general group, here. The real point of your post is not, it seems, to explain Rick & Morty--which would be fine!--but to dunk on "spergs" because they don't enjoy it on as many levels as you do.
So, don't do that.
You're getting clowned by dramatards, just ban on sight if it smells fishy for a while.
I disagree, I may have immigrated from rdrama but my efforts are genuine.
I would even liken your stance to the equivalent of saying those people who just got off the boat don't sound like us, send them back to where they came from.
Give a chance to assimilation.
Who speaks like this? Firstly you know in your heart if you are trolling or not, you can just say "Yes/No I am trolling", its not a debate for you. Also you know if you are from drama or not, why are you saying you are "maybe from drama or not"?
Basically you sound like someone trying to play innocent.
Uhh no, read the rules.
You are expected to familiarize yourself with them, or lurk until you do.
As many others have said, even if you are posting bait, ultimately if it gets good conversation, some people might not mind having you post them around here.
So just make good posts if you are not trolling.
I may have come from means I come from. I believe that's a colloquial phrase?
I did familiarize myself with them, do you expect a baby to walk perfectly with its first step because you showed it a diagram and gif of how to walk?
last line acknowledged.
I mean it really makes no difference for me if someone follows the rules or not. I just gave you a heads up because the mods will inevitably ban someone if they don't do it a sufficient number of times. Actually I gave the mod a heads up because I browse rDrama myself and saw people talking about "invading" the motte.
For what its worth, the mods here are a lot more lenient than most mods on reddit, and maybe even in rDrama, I doubt many "edgy" places online have the stomach to discuss HBD and other topics discussed here on the regular without getting their panties in a knot. It's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt. I have been banned from multiple places that throw around the words 'retard' and 'faggot' with reckless abandon, when I actually brought up some juicy topics to talk about.
But anyways, don't let the down-votes discourage you, keep on posting, eventually you'll find a way to get your ideas across in a way that people here are receptive to.
Could you tell me what is HBD?
Thank you for the encouragement.
HBD is an acronym for 'Human biodiversity'.
It's the opposite of the blank slate theory. Proponents of HBD argue that the intelligence, personality, temperament, and a lot of other psychological/psychometric factors are genetically determined/influenced. Believing this leads you to a lot of inferences/conclusions that are very controversial to say out loud in polite society.
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