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It would be ridiculous for Republicans to not expect primary shenanigans: in 2024, I expect vast swath of Democrats to coordinate in reregistering as Republicans and voting with Never-Trumpers for a particular non-Trump candidate in every state, or at least states which are key electoral states for the primary vote. Obviously, then, Democrats would gladly switch back to their own candidate for the general election. (Rush Limbaugh coordinated Republicans doing this in 2008, Operation Chaos, to force the Democrat superdelegates to pick between the first Black President and the first woman President).
What are ways that the Trump contingent could bring such a conspiracy to light without sounding like schizophrenic conspiracy theorists? And then how to combat such a scenario at the polls effectively?
The most likely course of events remains that Desantis endorses trump, who wins the primary in a landslide, and loses the general to Biden again following an election marked by train wreck ballot handling in key states.
The most likely event is that Desantis takes an early lead and Trump goes to absolute war on him and is either ineffective (Desantis takes the nom) or is effective (some third person slips in amidst the chaos).
I think to get to your proposed outcome, Trump has to take an early lead, but Desantis hangs on until and wins Florida, at which point (approximately midway through) both candidates size up their advantages and if Trump has a decently commanding lead Desantis could be willing to capitulate.
If neither Trump nor Desantis is frontrunner by then, I don't see Desantis throwing in for Trump.
You’re assuming Desantis runs.
I mean, obviously many people want him to. But it’s very much in his self interest to bow out, endorse trump, and then say nothing until he gets re-elected again.
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