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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 5, 2022

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Aaand this is exactly the kind of response that makes me lose faith political debate in good faith can ever happen.

Nope, if your boss fires you, we can assume it's not because you weren't doing your job the way he wanted you to. The burden of proof is now on you that Baker was actually doing everything as was expected of him.

I think you meant "we can assume it's because you weren't doing your job the way he wanted you to". If so then yes, I agree, but that would be an unremarkable observation. The real question is what exactly Elon Musk was upset about that led to this guy's firing. Musk has fired Twitter developers that criticized him or talked back at him. It's his right to fire them, but it comes across as petty and vindictive. Because he has a very recent history of this kind of retribution against his employees, I don't think it's reasonable for me to assume that Musk fired Baker for lofty high-brow reasons. It could be true, but I don't have evidence to believe that at this point.

Funny how the burden of proof is never on you.

Is there any evidence that Baker was fired for petty reasons, did he even claim to be? Is there any evidence he inserted himself in the process in good faith? It could be true but I don't have evidence that at this point.

I'm not sure how you misread what I wrote to this degree. The post you are directly responding to explicitly said that it's possible that Musk fired Baker for lofty high-brow reasons. It's perfectly reasonable to place the burden of proof on the one making an assertion and my assertion in this case is "I don't have evidence to believe that". What objection do you have with my assertion?

You are instead asking me to provide evidence that Baker was fired for petty reasons, or that Baker acted in good faith. I never asserted either positions! I don't know if either of those things are true! How many different ways do I need to say this?

It's perfectly reasonable to place the burden of proof on the one making an assertion and my assertion in this case is "I don't have evidence to believe that". What objection do you have with my assertion?

I never asserted either positions! I don't know if either of those things are true! How many different ways do I need to say this?

The objection I have is that despite inserting a thousand technicalities you can hide behind when called out, we're not in court, and I don't need to let you hide behind these technicalities, and pretend you didn't just say what you clearly said. The content of your comments clearly says that "it doesn't make sense" for Baker to not be involved. You're wrong, it does, and you have not provided any evidence for that not being the case.

Yes my assertion is indeed "It doesn't make sense to think the general counsel of a company is not supposed to be vetting files before they are disclosed to an outside party" and I stand by that position. You saying that I'm wrong is not enough to make it so. Can you actually explain how I'm off-base? As best as I can tell so far the issue seems to be that I'm not credulously accepting whatever Elon Musk said. I already explained why I'm suspicious of his claims, which part of my argument do you object to?

Do lawyers have any professional standards for conflicts of interest?

Yes, governed by model RPC 1.7 and 1.8 but I don't know how they would be applied for a general counsel exactly. Conflicts are most often considered "waivable" where so long as you have the informed consent in writing from the client it's not a problem. Conflict check is a tedious responsibility for support staff at law firms. I very briefly worked at a law firm after already being a public defender, and the staff asked me for the names of the hundreds of defendants I represented so they could check for conflicts (and if there are any, basically have me quarantined from those cases). I was lucky that I had kept a spreadsheet but I don't know how normal people would have dealt with that.

(2) there is a significant risk that the representation of one or more clients will be materially limited by the lawyer's responsibilities to another client, a former client or a third person or by a personal interest of the lawyer.

Do you think Baker had a waiver in writing from Elon Musk?

You used to work for the ACLU, right? Imagine you had inserted yourself into a controversial ACLU case that blew up, during which a coworker was caught forging documents submitted to court. Years later, you go to work for a different client with some tangential relations with the ACLU, and the aggrieved party in the controversial case. A new case comes up in the new company that has implications for the ACLU, and directly involves people who were directly involved in that previous controversial case.

Would you, as a lawyer, be comfortable sliding yourself into a "vetting" position for the new case? If you were, would you really be surprised if many other people were unwilling to give you a blank benefit of the doubt?

I worry I lost the analogy here, but the core question is, isn't CoI about the appearance of possible impropriety? I seems crazy that we would need direct, actionable evidence of malfeasance to allege a conflict of interest. Was Baker the only general counsel for Twitter?

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