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Even if your claims of anti-white racism were true (the FAA hiring scandal is clearly an instance, and affirmative action can reasonably be described as both anti-Asian and anti-White, but that does not clear the "all levels of society" bar for me), I do not see how segregation would be the natural consequence.
The Black's response to facing racial discrimination was the civil rights movement, which was way more effective than any attempt to build a black-only community in the US or elsewhere would have been.
Even if you could convince the PMC that they were getting a Bad Deal wrt race in the coastal cities and that they should build their own White-only coastal cities in the middle of Arkansas
with blackjack and hookers, I am not holding my breath for these cities to decide national elections. I would rather embark on a campaign of meritocracy and how racial discrimination is not cool even if it targets Whites or Asians.At the moment, most people openly advocating for racial segregation are Neo-Nazis. I think I speak for the vast majority of Whites, HBD-pilled or otherwise, when I say I would much rather have a randomly selected Black person as a neighbor than a Neo-Nazi for purely selfish Bayesian reasons.
But this goes to the core of it. What if normal whites have noticed enough that they decide "You know what, I'm going to act like every other race treats me." What if they preferentially hire whites the same way Indians favor Indians, or Jews favor Jews? What if they aggressively subsidize and import white residents the same way the federal government bombs small Midwestern towns with Haitians or Somalians? What if they start giving out contracts to white owned businesses the same way the federal government gives contracts only to black or minority owned businesses? What if they forgive debt for white's the same way the federal government keeps finding way to forgive debts exclusively for blacks? What if they give preferential medical treatments to whites the same way preferential treatments were given to blacks?
None of this requires deep supremacist neo-nazi beliefs. Just noticing and then going tit-for-tat. Realizing if you don't, you have no future.
I mean they did right? Even more than that actually. This is something white Americans already did. It's how you ended up where you are now. Do you think trying it again is going to work better? You have affirmative action and white guilt, people trying to make things up to black farmers and the like because this is what happened before and white people decided, actually this makes us feel pretty bad when we look at in comparison to our theoretical national values.
Whites had the nation you are envisaging and even more than that. Then they decided they didn't like it. Black people didn't have the power to change it. White people themselves did.
The things you complain about are already the tat for white peoples tit! (so to speak!), to try and make up for slavery and Jim Crow and so on and so forth. Instigated by white people themselves!
They already did the "What if?" You know how it ended.
This assumes more continuity of people and culture than is advisable.
When appealing to those national values and the ideals of the Founders, modern folk do tend to forget John Adams' ominous line- "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." And so we reap that failure mode.
If the rule brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
Or one of those other pithy lines, like "liberalism is not a suicide pact." A libertarian arguing for open borders is not a result of mental illness. For any other ideology, the root cause is at least mental illness adjacent. By extension, "white guilt" (and many other racial sicknesses) should be in the DSM.
There's a really nasty lesson here; that moral "improvement" has incredibly high costs for a culture. Either a culture has to be fully right and never commit even a single evil act, or go Full Evil and salt the earth behind you; anything in between tends to result in a blood curse.
Sounds like a subcategory of Onlyfans, or an Aella stunt. English is funny.
I mean America is pretty great in my opinion.
Moral improvement should have costs surely? If being moral was easy and cheap then everyone would do it. If you want to be moral you are explicitly making decisions that are worse practically, because if they were better practically you wouldn't have to be moral to choose them. Being moral mean soften looking at the most efficient choice and not making it. You risk your life to dive into the river to save the child and so on and so forth.
The ancestors of America brought the wolf in (as per Jefferson), they could later have chosen to be immoral and kill/deport all the wolves. Or moral and have to contend with what enslaving a race means for race relations and the future when you let them go. They chose the latter. That means their descendants have to deal with that choice, for better or for ill. Being immoral is often better practically. But it isn't what America was founded to aspire to. I don't think that's a nasty lesson in as much as a lesson about reality. Choices have consequences. Being better than you were does not immunize you against previous choices. It's easy to go back and think we should have just killed them all. It probably would be easier. But morality isn't about being easier it's about being better, however you measure that.
"Jefferson wrote that maintaining slavery was like holding “a wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go.”17 He thought that his cherished federal union, the world’s first democratic experiment, would be destroyed by slavery. To emancipate slaves on American soil, Jefferson thought, would result in a large-scale race war that would be as brutal and deadly as the slave revolt in Haiti in 1791. But he also believed that to keep slaves in bondage, with part of America in favor of abolition and part of America in favor of perpetuating slavery, could only result in a civil war that would destroy the union."
America you will note, managed to not have the union destroyed, not have a full scale race war and has not as yet been destroyed. And part of the reason for that is because efforts were made to make up for slavery. The Civil Rights Act, Affirmative Action and the like were promises to ADOS that they didn't need to resort to a race war to get their place in America. The white guilt you speak of as a mental illness was vital in charting a course that has made great strides.
Is it perfect? Not at all. Racial resentment did not vanish. Black people are still poor compared to whites. But assuming you think genocide is bad, the outcome has to be measured against that. Not against perfection.
It was destroyed, and then put back together by force, going from the original voluntary union to a nation of victors and vanquished. And the mainstream complaint nowadays is the vanquished weren't treated harshly enough, so therefore we should treat their descendants (literal, political, philosophical, or imagined) even worse.
That would not have turned out like Haiti, when whites were willing to take their own side.
You quoted Jefferson. Jefferson also feared "Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites" and "ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made ; and many other circumstances"
He was mostly wrong on the first. It turns out those deep-rooted prejudices of whites could be mostly (if bloodily) extirpated. But dead right on the second. And that may well be sufficient for the consequences he feared: "will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race" I expect not on the extermination part. But the resentments of blacks alone, along with the sympathy for those resentments among one party of whites, will keep those convulsions going indefinitely.
Well that's the question isn't it? From Founding to the Civil Rights movement was near 200 years. It's been about 80 since then. Timescales for nations are measured in centuries. In 120 years will those convulsions still be ongoing or not? Or will American blacks and whites have banded together to fight our AI overlords or an alien invader, or Chinese communism or just all be rich, fat and happy on automated cruise liners in space?
It seems clear to me, having significant contact with black Americans that the level of fear and anger in younger generations is significantly less than in older ones. Even my wife's grandmother on her deathbed recanted her ban on "dating out". And she had lived through Jim Crow in the South before migrating North and believed a white doctor had tried to kill one of her children in the womb.
It's been answered. After the race riots of the '60 and early '70s, we had the racial detente of the 70s and 80s, but then things got worse; we had the Rodney King Riots and a generation later the more-widespread Floyd riots.
Not really, no. Nations rise and fall within that time. For all the US gets shit for "200 years is a long time", such staid European nations as Germany and Italy are only a century and a half old, and aren't even really continuous through that time.
And her granddaughter's (or great-granddaughters) peers not only believe that, they have scientific studies PROVING that white physicians are killing black babies.
Don't confuse what white progressives might say and what black people believe. They may be allied politically but they are very different groups. As far as I can tell approximately zero of the younger group believe that. In fact they don't believe a white doctor tried to kill their great-grandmothers/great aunts baby at all, last time it came up they expressed a great deal of skepticism, because they can't even conceive of experiencing that level of personal racism.
What is commonish is the idea that white doctors may still be slightly biased in the ways they treat and diagnose black mothers (particularly around pain management) but that is very different from the belief that they are outright murdering black children for racist reasons. And they may be right about that, when my wife was in hospital, I had to intervene several times because they were not taking her levels of pain seriously at all.
That's an improvement! From outright murderous racist doctors to doctors can be biased in how they deliver treatment is a downgrade in levels of racial resentment/belief! Time is on your side here.
Heck even in the Floyd riots many (most?) of the rioters were in fact not black. If we look at Rittenhouse, of the three people who he shot, none of them were black. If you watch the videos of that night most of the people we see are white. Michael Reinoehl and Aaron Danielson, both white. More people were killed in the LA riots than the Floyd riots, even though one was much more widespread.
Whatever people say, the facts on the ground do not appear to validate the idea that things are worse. Interracial marriage rates are increasing, which is a key measure of integration. "Since 1980, the share who married someone of a different race or ethnicity has more than tripled from 5% to 18%"
As for timescales. Look I'm Northern Irish, we're still beefing about King William vs King James in 1690 and whether the Brits can be blamed for the Norman invasion of Ireland in the 1170's. Give it another couple hundred years and see where you are. You're young yet.
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