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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 12, 2022

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This is stupid. A huge amount of twitter traffic is for porn, which requires linking out. When the porn people leave you’re looking at a drop in ~6% of traffic and engagement. Seriously, type in “onlyfans” or “onlyfans . com/“ into Twitter search and be shocked at how much of twitter’s traffic is in the NSFW ecosystem. While Twitter ought to ban all porn, Musk should wait until he’s firmly hegemonic, not when he’s still on the brink of losing VIPs and advertisers. Btw, all the men who use Twitter to occasionally look at porn on their alts will follow wherever those accounts go, and that’s a lot of people.

Why should Twitter ban porn? Doing that at all will potentially kill it, regardless of how comfy Twitter and Musk's positions are.

Note the policy doesn't ban onlyfans links, just links to specific websites at the moment.

It will once Elon launches TwitterAfterDark to compete with Onlyfans.

I don't disagree that there's a lot of porn on Twitter, but most of the porn is located on the site, not offsite. So while some might leave I can't think of a reason why all of them would leave as long as the porn they came to the site for is still there.

There are a lot of NSFW artists and "content creators" on Twitter. These creators overwhelmingly have presences on other sites, and they very frequently use Linktree, Carrd, and other link-sites to help direct their followers to places like OnlyFans/Fansly, Gumroad, Newgrounds, Pixiv, and so on. Plus, on Twitter, as of this year, NSFW content is placed behind a hard login wall, limiting its visibility (probably on top of being de-ranked in the algo).

I'm not too familiar with Twitter porn, but if it's anything like Reddit then the on-platform content exists almost exclusively to promote off-platform services. Rigorous enforcement of the policy would end up removing the bulk of the NSFW content.

Banning onlyfans links would be bad for creators, who don't get compensated for the posing, camera, editing work it takes to make decent pics or videos - so their twitter serves to advertise the onlyfans, converting some percentage of free viewers to paying customers, incentivizing twitter use. (again onlyfans isn't banned so doesn't matter)

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