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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 26, 2022

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So would you accept an outcome where it is never publicly revealed that the Mona Lisa was destroyed, a very convincing forgery is put on display in it's place, and everything continues on as before, with the broader public none the wiser?

People are still, presumably, getting the same benefits from what they believe is the actual Mona Lisa.

It sounds like, morally speaking, this is what you think SHOULD be done to prevent all those dust specks from hitting people's eyes.

So would you accept an outcome where it is never publicly revealed that the Mona Lisa was destroyed, a very convincing forgery is put on display in it's place, and everything continues on as before, with the broader public none the wiser?

No, because I think blissful ignorance is a flaw in utilitarianism and people only benefit here because of blissful ignorance.

So what is the moral harm in the lie, if we assume we cannot un-burn the Mona Lisa?

I will grant for this conversation that we'd prefer the Mona Lisa not be destroyed. But once it is done, you are not in favor of avoiding further harm that would result from people knowing it was destroyed?

Because once it's gone, no amount of money can retrieve it, nor will punishing the parties who destroyed it bring it back.

So what possible benefit is there to publicizing the fact of it's destruction?

You're analyzing it using utilitarianism containing the very flaw I pointed out.

The harm is caused by the Mona Lisa being destroyed. Telling people makes them aware of the harm. The fact that people are more upset when they know of it than when they don't doesn't mean that letting them know about it caused the harm, and counting it as though it did is a flaw in utilitarianism.

The harm is caused by the Mona Lisa being destroyed.

How?

I'm confused as to what actual loss is sustained by the burning of the Mona Lisa vs. some piece of random art that was not world famous.

Because the main reason the Mona Lisa is important is because of it's fame/notoriety to other people.

And that fame/notoriety isn't diminished by it's destruction.

People value the existence of the Mona Lisa. Destroying it destroys something which people value.

It is a flaw in utilitarianism that utilitarianism fails to count people's preferences being frustrated as a loss when they don't know that their preferences have been frustrated.

People value the existence of the Mona Lisa. Destroying it destroys something which people value.

Unless I'm mistaken you're directly invoking a utilitarian argument for why the Mona Lisa has value.

Because people could, in theory, value the copy of the Mona Lisa just as much as the original... if they don't know it is a copy.

Else, from whence could the value come?

If the value is based on the fact that people value it, this gets to my point that replacing it with a copy prevents the actual harm in question.

You seem to be tying the whole situation to how much 'good' people experience due to the existence of the Mona Lisa, and that sounds like Utilitarianism to me.

Deontology would be "It is bad to destroy rare works of art in all cases."

Virtue Ethics would be something like "Good people don't destroy cultural artifacts."

Your ethical basis is, what?

The "they don't know if it's a copy" part is where utilitarianism breaks down. Utilitarianism can't handle situations where people want X, but falsely believe that X. According to utilitarianism, making them falsely believe X is just as good as X being true.

If the Mona Lisa has been destroyed, the belief "the Mona Lisa exists" is a false belief, and the "benefit" from that false belief shouldn't count as benefit. (And taking away the "benefit" shouldn't count as harm.) Utilitarianism would count it.

According to utilitarianism, making them falsely believe X is just as good as X being true.

Unless there would be an immense amount of disutility created from either people believing X, or from them eventually finding out X is false.

I think there are situations where lies are harmless, even if later discovered.

The utilitarian calculation need not rest on the assumption that the lie will remain intact indefinitely.