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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 25, 2025

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Reading an article on why Britain should settle Antarctica from Palladium got me thinking: are there any major, visionary projects happening at the moment that have a plausible chance of success?

I'm still hopeful for SpaceX to at least make operations on the moon more feasible, though I'm skeptical of making a real go at Mars colonization, especially as Elon's star has fallen so far recently.

China seems a likely contender, but I don't know what they have going on. I know that AGI is the thing on everyone's mind, but I'm thinking more about a physical, non-software based major visionary project that's happening in the physical world.

To quote some from the article:

These apparently radical measures will look less radical by the year, but would nevertheless represent a dramatic break from the Westminster status quo. Declining nations can resort to many sensible technocratic reforms that are easy to explain, but they find it hard to come up with compelling political or bureaucratic motives for those reforms. That can only be done with national visions—visions that are not only suited to the capabilities a country could realistically develop, but also a congruent continuation of its history, or at least the best of its history. We can see that these two conditions have been fulfilled with nearly every successful national founding or refounding. Britain’s overlooked Antarctic legacy, and the vast frozen territory it still retains, then, offer us the opportunity for such a vision.

If such a project is pursued with enough vigor, it will make Britain’s claim to Antarctica inarguable. It is easy to draw peremptory lines on an empty map, but it is much harder and more admirable to people that map and to rescue its land from barrenness. For a stagnant or declining nation, it is easy to find this or that technocratic intervention that can solve this or that economic, social, or political issue. What is more difficult is finding a vision that gives the nation reason to carry out such reforms. These visions must be inspiring, but they must also be within reach. Most importantly, they must match the legacy and history of the country.

This is culture war because, well, the decline of nations is extremely political, and from my view the Trumpian Right, for all it's many and varied flaws, is the only party at least nominally pursuing a future vision of greatness, instead of simply ignoring or managing a decline.

Also, this is a very sassy quote from the article I loved:

This unworldly modern Britain is hardly the “perfidious Albion” depicted in the propaganda of its 19th century geopolitical rivals. Not wholly unflatteringly, contemporary Russian state media still portrays the country as the shadowy orchestrator of coups and death squads. A truer depiction, though, is that of the “cash-poor, asset-rich elderly woman who has somehow inherited a portfolio of scattered, high-value properties she doesn’t know what to do with.”

Unity of people will reinforce any vision that captures it. A deracinated, divided people are capable of following no vision but force.

This is a GPS unit in search of a vehicle. The car broke down a century ago. The UK is now a mirror on the vehicle that is the US empire.

Yeah a shared group identity is pretty crucial. Which do you think are still the most potent in the current era?

There's only two international ones, Islam and globohomo. Everything else is politically captured religion, ethnic division and nationalisms.

You don’t think Islam is riven with a ton of internal ethnic division? Huh that was my impression.

Of course it is. And with competing nationalisms and versions of the religion. Point is, they all happen within Islam. When Europe was "Christendom", they had thousands of heretical sects, competing secular governments, nobles, clerics, etc. They still had some more powerful ideology serving as the tent under which all that was "united". Neither Islam nor globohomo is any different. We're all in globohomo, whether we like it or not in the same way Iran is part of Islam, even though they are hated heretics by the rest of Islam.

I appreciate your framing, sincerely.

What's your take on the other abrahamic "hard" religious groups; Rad Trad catholics / Orthodox "ortho-Bros", and actual zionist and/or messianic Jews?

I also agree with JTarrou - a superordinate political identity like "Christendom" or "Western Civilisation" doesn't need near-universal adherence to matter, just broad popular or broad elite support in the nations it seeks to unite. And political Islam is a functioning superordinate identity group, and the factional splits within it are the main drivers of political violence globally. (Contra Huntington in Clash of Civilisations, the borders of the Islamic world are a lot less bloody than the interior). "Western Civilisation"/"The Free World" remains an important superordinate identity, with globohomo a faction within it. So far we handle our factional conflicts at the ballot box, and everyone except the nuttier fringes of MAGA want to keep it that way.

None of the various religious groups you mention have any desire to be a superordinate identity in this sense. Orthodoxy is in practice a bunch of ethnic churches that hate each other more than they hate outsiders, with the Orthobros being irrelevant. Rad Trads are happy being themselves, and religious Jews explicitly see themselves as a nation state that isn't part of a superordinate group.

These are not Christendom. Christendom is an earthly kingdom(or group of kingdoms/republics) dedicated to expanding Christianity in a generally aligned way. It's possible, but a bit of a stretch, to point to some fringey parts(Francoist Spain, South Vietnam under the Ngo family) of the general US sphere in the cold war as the last vestiges of Christendom. But Christendom today is either dead or limited to Liechtenstein. It is, specifically, a state, operating like a normal state.

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